Why Would Anyone Have Kids?

[Vladimir]

For the magazines?

I think the real question is, can you get it as a package deal with some other mags? 'Cause I think between the AQ monthly and, say, NAMBLA Bulletin, I could be real popular with my neighbors.

[rory_20_uk]

UNless you have a child, you don't really understand.

My son is the only thing I love unconditionally, and would do anything for I would cheerfully put his happiness above my own. I would view life as pointless without children.

Money is a tool, not an end. Kids do require a lot of money. But what point is money sitting in the bank account?

[Don Corleone]

Wow, and here I thought a bunch of ghosts had come back to the Org. What would have really nailed it would have been resurrecting it on Father's Day.

[Lemur]

What would have really nailed it would have been resurrecting it on Father's Day.

Apologies; I don't know what inspired me to go browsing in the oldest threads on the board, but the spirit moved me. And this particular thread seemed to have relevance to a seris of articles I had recently read, and so on and so forth. I try not to commit necromancy for no good reason.

[Vladimir]

I consider it more of a hobby.

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[Seamus Fermanagh]

Wow, and here I thought a bunch of ghosts had come back to the Org. What would have really nailed it would have been resurrecting it on Father's Day.

Nice to see you back, Godfather. Hope it isn't too much of a fluke -- you were part of the charm of the Backroom when I joined.

A lot of other names from times past have wandered into the Dojo II thread -- people with 199X in their join-dates even.

[a completely inoffensive name]

This wave of the old members scare me. Although I never take into account how old someone is when I debate/argue. I've learned that age is not indicative of wisdom.

Anyway, back on topic, I personally don't plan on having kids until I'm at least 28 or 29. I want a built up career, a solid financial foundation to fund the kids properly, and life experience from a decade of enjoying life before I feel I would be ready to properly nurture and raise a kid.

[Cute Wolf]

This wave of the old members scare me. Although I never take into account how old someone is when I debate/argue. I've learned that age is not indicative of wisdom.

Anyway, back on topic, I personally don't plan on having kids until I'm at least 28 or 29. I want a built up career, a solid financial foundation to fund the kids properly, and life experience from a decade of enjoying life before I feel I would be ready to properly nurture and raise a kid.

well, maybe I'm the one who planned to getting married as soon as I finish the doctorate degree, or even sooner.....
oh yeah, it will be sooner when my parents decide that I should bring a wife when I was studying aboard in Europe... (typical Chinese conservative)

[Don Corleone]

Nice to see you back, Godfather. Hope it isn't too much of a fluke -- you were part of the charm of the Backroom when I joined.

A lot of other names from times past have wandered into the Dojo II thread -- people with 199X in their join-dates even.

It's the very subject matter of this topic, the presence of my 4 year old and 2 year old miracles that requires my absence. Happy to sneak in when I can though.

I'll have to check out the DojoII thread. Too bad Creative Assembly isn't living up to their name and is re-treading all the old titles. Couldn't they just watch Ultimate Warrior for some ideas?

[Cute Wolf]

yeah, any good kids will care for their parents in the old age... I wonder what PJ feels when he post that thread... 5 years ago...

*. Did he allready have some kids running arround now?

[PanzerJaeger]

Wow, can't believe it's been so long. We've lost a lot of greats over the years. Gained some too, though, so I guess it evens out.

Good articles, Lemur.

yeah, any good kids will care for their parents in the old age... I wonder what PJ feels when he post that thread... 5 years ago...

*. Did he allready have some kids running arround now?

Nope, no kids. I feel a bit more mature five years later, but I haven't changed my position at all. Well, maybe a little. It's less about a cost/benefit analysis these days and more about my personal happiness. I just don't see kids having a positive effect on it. Selfish? Definitely. But if there is one area in life where we get to be selfish, it's in our choices in procreation.

And thanks, Rhyfelwyr for the response. I don't really feel like defending a five year old post point by point, but you made lots of good ones.

[KukriKhan]

When (if) you hook up with a female of the species, she will (eventually) explain it to you (all you non-Dads, not just PJ). Many of them (women) start out saying the same thing, for the same reasons - and they're good reasons; logical, rational ones. By the time you and she pass about age 25, if some accident doesn't happen first, the urge will strike: first her, then you. When you hold L'il Junior on his date of birth, you'll know "Why Would Anyone Have Kids?", and your whole world will change.

Free Tip: Fatherhood is OK; though lot's o'work with very little recognition. Grand-fatherhood, however, is something to look forward to. Trust me.

[rory_20_uk]

When (if) you hook up with a female of the species, she will (eventually) explain it to you (all you non-Dads, not just PJ). Many of them (women) start out saying the same thing, for the same reasons - and they're good reasons; logical, rational ones. By the time you and she pass about age 25, if some accident doesn't happen first, the urge will strike: first her, then you. When you hold L'il Junior on his date of birth, you'll know "Why Would Anyone Have Kids?", and your whole world will change.

Free Tip: Fatherhood is OK; though lot's o'work with very little recognition. Grand-fatherhood, however, is something to look forward to. Trust me.

When women are young, life is good. Go anywhere, do anything. Have a great time. Being female means male attention almost without effort. For the truly mercenary there are older men who are married.

Kids? Plenty of time... Focus on fun / career.

Then age ticks by. Often it is the 30th that makes many settle down into realising that they have to meet Mr Right, have a relationship and then a family. Risk of Down's: 1 in 1,000. By 35, 1 in 500. By 40 1 in 150. Not to mention falling fertility, and other risk factors.
Men are also, damn them, so superficial. What was great as a 20 year old isn't so great when you're competing against 20 year olds.

Men have the ability to have children into their 60's, if not a hell of a lot later. Impotence used to put an end to it can now be overcome. Deep down there is not the biological clock getting louder and louder. Being an older man can also be viewed as attractive. Women place far more on money (security) than men do - in fact men are unhappy as a rule when they earn less than their wives / partners. Having children late shows you are fertile, not a sick old crone. Having a wife more junior is also more acceptable.

[KukriKhan]

Kids? Plenty of time... Focus on fun / career.

Then age ticks by...

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[lars573]

When (if) you hook up with a female of the species, she will (eventually) explain it to you (all you non-Dads, not just PJ). Many of them (women) start out saying the same thing, for the same reasons - and they're good reasons; logical, rational ones. By the time you and she pass about age 25, if some accident doesn't happen first, the urge will strike: first her, then you. When you hold L'il Junior on his date of birth, you'll know "Why Would Anyone Have Kids?", and your whole world will change.

Free Tip: Fatherhood is OK; though lot's o'work with very little recognition. Grand-fatherhood, however, is something to look forward to. Trust me.

It should be noted that these are mere estimates. My sister-in-law is almost 23 and she's had baby fever since she married my brother, 2 years ago (and she's pregnant). My actual sister wanted to have kids at 25. She'll be 25 soon and she's got 2.