Were the Indians really noble ?

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 07-01-2005, 02:15

We will rid you of this evil revisionist history these liberals have been feeding you all these years. Theres hope for you yet.

**Steppe Merc** · 07-01-2005, 02:19

Heh, I don't know much of the history of the Plains Indians, but I'd be really interested in the true history of them, from both sides of the story. Just as long as it isn't conservative revisionist history.

**Alexander the Pretty Good** · 07-01-2005, 02:21

conservative revisionist history

No such thing!

**KafirChobee** · 07-01-2005, 03:05

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

We will rid you of this evil revisionist history these liberals have been feeding you all these years. Theres hope for you yet.

Is always a treat to see so many back slapping revisionist historians grab one anothers asses.

Now, can we talk reality? Or, do we continue with this lovefest of yours? Not. America was (is) the first modern day (in terms of time) genecide. It is estimated that 8 million indigenace natives were murdered by their invaders - the new Americans. Now, I confess my ancestors were involved in a part of it (fought in the "Revolution". you know?). They settled Kentucky and Southern Illinios. But, they did so out of greed and ignorance. Not out of some noble purpose or vision of America.

It is disgusting to me to think there are some whom still honor the autrocities of that era. That some how console themselves with the idea that the American Indian deserved being betrayed, deceived, slaughtered, and that the stealing of their lands gives any honor to those that did it. [btw, one of my ancestors married a indian girl - back around 1800 - not that it has anything to do with your lovefest]

The Conservative Club, somehow never ceases to amaze me. How, they conceal their prejudices by using history as an example of the righteousness to their cause. How, they perceive that any that oppose them are wrong simply because they are human - that their opponents contend that all humans are equal (and always have been) must drive them crazy.

How unfair. How ignorant. How absolutely bigoted is this thread. Still, it proves a point, ignorance ... breeds ignorance. Showing compassion to the past would breed it for the future. Can't have that. Stay dumb, be dumb, and believe all that others tell you that conforms with what you have previously been told. Yep, makes alot of sense. Is easier that way. Why challenge anything When it is simply easier to blend in with the guys you like .. sort of.

Were the Indians Noble? They still are. They survived the genecide. That some tribes are now prospouring is what pisses the editorial above off.

As for starting a thread like this? Only a person that believes in genocide would do it. Only a person so just in his own contempt for those that beleive differently from him and his confidence that those of like minds would defend him - would post such an absurd assumption.

Noble Indians? Damn right!

**Steppe Merc** · 07-01-2005, 03:07

Um, one of the Conservative club members (I believe, unless he isn't a part of it, not really sure...) has American Indian ancestors...

**PanzerJaeger** · 07-01-2005, 03:57

Thanks for the scalping corrections Merc and Kukri.

America was (is) the first modern day (in terms of time) genecide.

More revisionism.

Keep in mind that people who subscribe to the ideology that Kafir does would love nothing better than to have a genocide on America's record.

There are few things that could better benefit "The Cause(painting America as a horrible nation from the start)" than having people taught that the United States was founded on genocide - that we should be right up there with Hitler, and more importantly Stalin(whom the leftists have always had a sweet spot in their heart for). The culture of guilt his side attempts to instill in each and every American would benefit greatly to say the least.

**Redleg** · 07-01-2005, 03:42

Originally Posted by KafirChobee

Is always a treat to see so many back slapping revisionist historians grab one anothers asses.

Care to place a bet on that one Kafir. I will gladly call you on it.

Now, can we talk reality? Or, do we continue with this lovefest of yours? Not. America was (is) the first modern day (in terms of time) genecide. It is estimated that 8 million indigenace natives were murdered by their invaders - the new Americans. Now, I confess my ancestors were involved in a part of it (fought in the "Revolution". you know?). They settled Kentucky and Southern Illinios. But, they did so out of greed and ignorance. Not out of some noble purpose or vision of America.

You want to talk reality - but I don't see anything written about reality of what happened - just your normal rant.

It is disgusting to me to think there are some whom still honor the autrocities of that era. That some how console themselves with the idea that the American Indian deserved being betrayed, deceived, slaughtered, and that the stealing of their lands gives any honor to those that did it. [btw, one of my ancestors married a indian girl - back around 1800 - not that it has anything to do with your lovefest]

Who has said anything about the American Indian deserving to be betrayed? Are are you going off the article that Gaiwan used to begin the discussion, If so then your hate and anger is a little misplaced.

The Conservative Club, somehow never ceases to amaze me. How, they conceal their prejudices by using history as an example of the righteousness to their cause. How, they perceive that any that oppose them are wrong simply because they are human - that their opponents contend that all humans are equal (and always have been) must drive them crazy.

Reaching again are we - I guess you have decided to ignore most of the conservation.

How unfair. How ignorant. How absolutely bigoted is this thread. Still, it proves a point, ignorance ... breeds ignorance. Showing compassion to the past would breed it for the future. Can't have that. Stay dumb, be dumb, and believe all that others tell you that conforms with what you have previously been told. Yep, makes alot of sense. Is easier that way. Why challenge anything When it is simply easier to blend in with the guys you like .. sort of.

Say what - forgot to take your anti-depression medicine again. You haven't the foggiest notion about what was being discussed - just your normall acid filled hate message I see.

Were the Indians Noble? They still are. They survived the genecide. That some tribes are now prospouring is what pisses the editorial above off.

And you should of directed your hate just at the editorial above - instead of attempting to include two people who were having an honest discussion about the subject.

As for starting a thread like this? Only a person that believes in genocide would do it. Only a person so just in his own contempt for those that beleive differently from him and his confidence that those of like minds would defend him - would post such an absurd assumption.

Yep - you are beginning to fit the bill of the person you just described.

Noble Indians? Damn right!

Do I think the Native Americans were noble - one of my childhood hero's in Red Cloud - the only Native American to win a war against the United States. And then there is Chief Joseph - who almost escaped the whiteman with his whole tribe.

**KafirChobee** · 07-01-2005, 03:55

Red, of all of the Conservative club, I expected better.

Then again, you guys never disappoint me. How could you? With your commitment to dishonor American history by accepting even the most horrendous deeds as being somehow acceptable to the path of "your" righteousness?

Look at what I say, not what you think. Dippity doo dah.

**Redleg** · 07-01-2005, 04:00

Originally Posted by KafirChobee

Red, of all of the Conservative club, I expected better.

Then again, you guys never disappoint me. How could you? With your commitment to dishonor American history by accepting even the most horrendous deeds as being somehow acceptable to the path of "your" righteousness?

Look at what I say, not what you think. Dippity doo dah.

Again you are showing how blind you are in your position. Never have I stated such a stance in regards to the Native Americans. Keep your politicial blinders on Kafir your showing yourself to be foolish on this one.

Edit: to take out the harsher language.