Atlantis- Fantasy or Fact

[King of Atlantis]

So do you guys believe atlantis was real or made up. Personally i think it was real, but has been greatly exagerated through the ages.

I'll try to show some "proof" later, but now im going to be.

I just had to make a thread like this

[Colovion]

Yeah I think it's a good story which was based on fact but was made into be something which it wasn't. If I was dreaming... sometimes I even think that some of the Phoenicians were Atlanteans from some seafaring, 'advanced' Civilisation.

[LeftEyeNine]

Same story goes for the opposing civilization of Atlantis : Mu. Some researchers propose some kind of massive war between the two which caused their end (Nuclear war perhaps?)

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, a great history admirer as well, had claimed somewhere that Turks were descendants of the Mu... Who knows ?

[InsaneApache]

Ahhh...yes Churchwards' fabled Mu.

http://www.conceptual.net.au/~jackc/mu.htm

Very interesting stuff near Japan....if it was proved to be man made it would turn archeology on it's head.

[caesar44]

Fantasy for kids or for ancient greeks

[Marcellus]

Most myths are based on some fact, with a lot of fiction added in. I think that in the case of Atlantis there is probaby a lot more fiction than there is in most other myths, though!

[King of Atlantis]

Well in atlantis even plato thought the numbers he was reporting were to big. If you divide the size and age of atlantis by ten then you get a resonable atlantis.

It is possible that the sea people were the "Atlanteans". Think about it. A people of unkown origions that were able destroy every ancient empire in the near east except the eygptions.

[master of the puppets]

i belive in it. there are plenty of accounts during eruptions that pushed large areas into the ocean. the Mu are a bit undeniable because...holy crap theres a giant geometric formation in the ocean, what more do you need.

one question i have is if anyone ever checked that site for mass amounts of lead? uranium deteriorates into lead in a couple hundred years, if you could scrape some dirt from the site of chernople (don't know how to spell it, russian nuclear disaster) then you would find spread radiation or depleted nuclear materials all in the vicinity. if it was a nuclear war then there would be some evidence.

[Oaty]

It is believed to be an old Greek city. Theres Greek history of a city that was buried beneath a tidal wave. Also geographicl evidence veers towards this as it shows an area along the coast that was once submerged and then filled in by a river.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Well while were on the subject what do you guys think of this?

A pre-human civilization
Source: THE RA MATERIAL/THE LAW OF ONE series (http://www.llresearch.org/)
From: http://www.universal-vision.com/Arti...T_Contact.html
Courtesy of Universa-vision.com site

705,000 BP -- Extensive Maldek Wars (creates Maldek soul's metaphysical-astral -- knot of fear)

600,000 BP -- Confederation spiritual healing of Maldek population souls on inner 3D planes

500,000 BP -- Destruction of 3D Maldek (current "asteroid belt"), soul-transfer to Earth (Bigfoot)

Earth hosting only 2D life (mineral, plant, animal kingdoms); no native 3D human soul-groups

Eventually, highest 2D animal groups become bi-pedal 3D homo Sapiens (become ensouled)

B. EARLY HUMAN CIVILIZATION (75,000 - 25,000 BP)

75,000 BP -- Final destruction of Mars civilization / atmosphere, soul-transfer into 3D Earth bodies

Beginning of human civilization / Earth 3D evolution: 50% Martian, 25% native, 25% other 3D

Confederation / Yahweh aid to Martian souls (genetic cloning to sharpen senses/strengthen mind)

Light-Quarantine intensified around Earth (re. Yahweh action) / Human life-span -- 900 years

60,000 BP -- Orion group influence: (a) telepathic contact / (b) power-charged stone-formations in Central America/Pacific Oceana (Nazca, Easter Island; unsuccessful attempt, no negativity achieved)

58,000 BP -- Confederation initial direct aid to early Lemurian/Mu civilization (prolonged contact)

53,000 BP -- Lemurian civilization fully established (primitive group-mentality, spiritually advanced)

Later destroyed by Earth tectonic-plate readjustment / flooding; survivors, Russia, North / South America (current indigenous' groups; originally from 2D Deneb star planet)

50,000 BP -- END OF 3D MAJOR CYCLE I / No harvest of Earth 3D souls; life-span -- 700 years

46,000 BP -- Spiritual calling from Earth Maldek souls (Bigfoot) Confederation aid (love/light)

31,000 BP -- Atlantean civilization begins development (slow-growing, agrarian, conglomerate)

25,000 BP -- END OF 3D MAJOR CYCLE II / No harvest; life-span 35-100 years. (pop. -- 345,000)

S. American group (Elder Race; pop. 150; life-span 900 years.) all 4D+ harvestable yet remain in 3D human bodies (world service)

C. LATER HUMAN CIVILIZATION (18,000 - 2,300 BP)

18,000 BP -- RA contact w/Egyptians (crystal-powered bell-shaped craft); UFO-sightings only

15,000 BP -- Beginning of rapid, intensified Atlantean technological development in society

13,000 BP -- Confederation aid to Atlantis (pyramids, crystals, healing); life-span greatly reduced

Initial usage of intelligent energy for negative polarization (cloning for genetic superiority)

11,000 BP -- RA contact w/Egyptians (direct landings for teaching Law of One); meaning distorted

First major Atlantean wars, approx. 40% population death, partial migration to North Africa

10,840 BP -- Final destruction of Atlantis by nuclear/crystal-energy warfare, civilization ends

Triple migration to safe, mountainous regions: Tibet, Peru, Turkey: root of mystery schools

9,600 BP -- Final Earth Changes and sinking of Atlantean land-masses; direct result of warfare

8,500 BP -- RA enters/returns to Earth inner planes, begins thought-construction of Great Pyramid

7,500 BP -- Confederation aid to S. America: Amazon landings/teaching, pyramids/hidden cities

6,000 BP -- Great Pyramid completed (by RA/thought, instant appearance); Ikhnaton contacted

4,500 BP -- Additional pyramids constructed from physical, Earth - based materials

Orion distorts previous Yahweh intervention (builds upon elite-group biases); replaces/co-opts Yahweh telepathic contact (sends negative philosophy to Hebrews); reveals itself as UFO/fiery cloud (suggest "wrathful God" philosophy).

Confederation/Yahweh sexual/genetic intervention: strengthening Anak-group physical bodies

3,000 BP -- Orion group leaves Earth 3D skies; Confederation completes S. America aid / contact

Armageddon 4D "thought-war" of light continues/intensifies (reduces 3D negative influence)

2,600 BP -- Greek calling, Confederation aid leads to + philosophy (Heraclitus, Thales, Pericles)

2,300 BP -- Confederation aid to Egypt only (telepathic contact, love/light)

D. MODERN TIMES (1700 - 2000 AD)

1784 AD -- Increased influx of harvestable 3D souls and Wanderers, increased Confederation aid

Primarily telepathic info, love/light sent; no major UFO landings or direct contact-teaching

Positive free will philosophy (freedom, liberty, justice, democracy, human rights) developed; most teaching expresses 4D+ quality (love/compassion); Wanderers include B. Franklin, T. Jefferson

1945 AD -- Increased Confederation UFO thought-form appearance, coincides w/ nuclear age

Confederation aid to humans killed in Hiroshima/Nagasaki atomic blasts (spirit-complex healing)

Increased influx of Wanderers and 4D+ "double-bodied" children to assist Harvest/New Age

2010 - 2013 AD -- Final Earth 3D-cycle Harvest: planetary Logos/surface humanity fully 4D+

All Earth Changes complete; all electro-magnetic planetary grids readjusted; humanity 4D+ only; major influx expected of additional inter-galactic 4D+ ETs for planet-balance / support

Slow development of telepathic group interplay, Earth acceptance into local ET Confederation

-- A Summary of Themes: ET-Earth History --

Cosmic Polarity: Engine of evolution; freely chosen result of veiled 3D experience; no mistakes

Human History: Galactic drama of polarity between light and darkness, 2 players upon 2 paths

Armageddon: On-going struggle of love vs. control; as above so below; outer vs. inner history

Wanderers' Role: Visiting light-bringers; non-agenda world service in love and free will

Global Strife: Result of negatively-polarized leadership atop non-polarized social masses

The Road Ahead: Reading future from past; all players prepare for Harvest; intensified polarity

Beyond Confusion: Finding implicit order in outer chaos; impact of free will w/ infinite choice


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[Monk]

Well while were on the subject what do you guys think of this?

Good to see that, not only does Bigfoot exist, but he's active in the intergalactic community! Not bad for a furry loner imo

[Steppe Merc]

I think it was based off of the Cretian civilization that they found that was devestated by volcanos...

[King of Atlantis]

I think it was based off of the Cretian civilization that they found that was devestated by volcanos...

yah, and then they became the sea people

Gawain, was that a joke cause i really doubt that stuff happend.

[King Henry V]

I think that theories like Antarctica was the real Atlantis are a bit far fetched. And as for Ireland once being a great civilisation, well.......

[Steppe Merc]

Gawain, was that a joke cause i really doubt that stuff happend.

Yeah, it was. Trust me, he doesn't believe it.

Some of the stuff about Alantis I can't believe, and I'm pretty open about this sort of stuff. I don't see how it could have been located in the Berumada triangle for example. And the whole them having electricity and magic is of course bull.

[King of Atlantis]

Well atlantis certainly couldnt have been a continent as big as plato said, because there would be evidence in the ocean floor, for something that massive.

[Accounting Troll]

The sea levels were a lot lower during the last ice age. It is possible that reasonably sophisticated neolithic (late stone age) towns could have been founded in coastal regions, only to be destroyed when the sea levels rose. Sand dreging ships have found stone age tools in shallow seas that would have been low lying land during the last ice age.

A coastal settlement could have been supported by fishing, and access to the sea would have made trade possible. Access to the sea is why London overtook Winchester as the capital of England in medieval times.

I believe that Atlantis was a global network of stone age coastal settlements which tended to specialise in particular industries based on local resources. The rising sea levels flooded the settlements and destroyed the trade networks, setting civilization back until the development of Egypt, India and China around 4,000 BC.

[edyzmedieval]

I think Atlantis is only fantasy....

But as someone said, myths are based on some sort of historical fact....

[Accounting Troll]

There is an interesting little myth that centres on a lake a few miles from where I like.

A medieval king was worried because he had heard that the inhabitants of one of his cities were particularly wicked. He resolved to send a bishop to see if the stories were true. If they were, the king would destroy the city and kill every one of its inhabitants, man woman or child, in order to keep God happy.

The bishop witnessed examples of all sorts of wickedness. Before he left, he saw a baby in a crib that had been abandoned by its mother who had sloped off to get drunk. The bishop pitied the child and took it with him so it would survive the wrath of the king.

As the bishop and the baby left the city, they saw a giant flood sent by God to destroy the city. The flood created the lake that is known to this day as Llangorse Lake.

The legend sounds like a rip-off of the Biblical Flood or Atlantis. However there is a low-lying island in the lake. An archaeological dig discovered that it is artificial and there had been a settlement on the island in the Dark Ages. This was common in Ireland, but rare elsewhere in the British Isles. The archaeologists thought that the settlement had been destroyed by flood, which suggests that there is some truth to the legend. The morality aspect came in because people back then thought that disasters such as floods and disease were God's Will, so anybody who was killed must have done something to deserve it.

So perhaps one day archeologists will find the historical fact behind Atlantis.

[hoom]

I subscribe to the Minoan Crete theory.
Catastrophic eruption of Santorini being the downfall.
Santorini bearing similarities to the described Atlantean capital even though the actual Minoan capital was inland on Crete.

The Minoans were advanced for their time (good ships, multistory buildings, civic & private plumbing, sport etc) but all the flying, crystals, nukes etc is just fantasy bollocks.

It also has the advantage that in the wake of the eruption & decline of Minoan culture, there was a Greek invasion, becoming the Mycenaean culture, which fits with the Plato description of Greek ancestors having defeated the Atlanteans.

Of course, I'm no historian & certainly haven't read any primary sources etc.

[King of Atlantis]

I subscribe to the Minoan Crete theory.
Catastrophic eruption of Santorini being the downfall.
Santorini bearing similarities to the described Atlantean capital even though the actual Minoan capital was inland on Crete.

The Minoans were advanced for their time (good ships, multistory buildings, civic & private plumbing, sport etc) but all the flying, crystals, nukes etc is just fantasy bollocks.

It also has the advantage that in the wake of the eruption & decline of Minoan culture, there was a Greek invasion, becoming the Mycenaean culture, which fits with the Plato description of Greek ancestors having defeated the Atlanteans.

Of course, I'm no historian & certainly haven't read any primary sources etc.

and this also could be the explantion of the sea people, as the minoans probably wouldnt have just all died out.

[YoungMaster]

Hello all

Those that are interested might want to check this out:

http://www.sidis.net/TSContents.htm

This is a book written by James William Sidis at 1935, talking mainly about native american history.

Sidis was a prodigy, according to proffesional psychologists the greatest mind ever born. He knew all the languages of the world by heart and could learn a new one every day while he was learning. You might want to browse the rest of the linked site to read about him.

In his book he claims that atlantis existed and was placed in the middle of the atlantic. Lately I have also read a few articles claiming the discovery of submerged man made structures at the approximate region.

Anyway, Sidis also wrote a novel about atlantis but it hasnt been found yet.
He has also written a book about the reversibility of the laws of Thermodynamics and tries to extend the law of entropy, in my opinion it is simple and accesible but a masterpiece nevertheless, showing the way to technologies unheard of. It is also at that site.
Enjoy reading it.

[Idomeneas]

Same story goes for the opposing civilization of Atlantis : Mu. Some researchers propose some kind of massive war between the two which caused their end (Nuclear war perhaps?)

Mustafa Kemal Ataturk, a great history admirer as well, had claimed somewhere that Turks were descendants of the Mu... Who knows ?