What are you thinking for TURKS

[Turkish_Sipahi]

i'm turkish, our greatest history went to Austria gates. Europan gates. And i want yours idea? what are you thinking for Turks?

[professorspatula]

Eh, what am I thinking for Turks? They are the masters of the doner kebab on a Friday night.

[PittBull260]

i honstly think the Turks are the best muslims of all, I'd love to live in Turkey, specially Istanbul

[ichi]

Welcome to the Org Turkish Sipahi

The Turks are renowned for their fierce fighting spirit and toughness. In MTW they have some of the best hybrid troops, archers who can fight, like the Janissary Infantry. They also have one of the best polearm units in the game, the Janissary Heavy Infantry, who can tear through a unit of cavalry quickly.

Have fun with the game and enjoy the forums

ichi

[Uesugi Kenshin]

The Turks: Greatest military power before the US and possbily Germany(WWII), though strategic mistakes and certain technological limitations make me unsure of the second one (Kar 98 was old by then, attacking Russia, supporting Japan).

Awesome troop selection, ranges from heavy infantry to light skirmishers and heavy knight-like cavalry to light steppe style mounted archers. Gotta love guns as well.

Also the Turks were generally tolerant of other peoples and religions and even today Turkey is a great place IMO.

EDIT: Woops. Welcome Turkish Sipah and enjoy the forums!

[The Wizard]

The Turks (well the western ones as far as I know) are the nicest people of the Mediterranean.



~Wiz

[Dâriûsh]

Salaam, Sipāhī

Eh, what am I thinking for Turks? They are the masters of the doner kebab on a Friday night.

[Steppe Merc]

The Turks jumped out of the steppe a fine morning and decided that their fate, their reason to be, was to conquer the eastern Roman Empire, which ment to become the Empire's imperial race by overthrowing the Greeks who have been the imperial race since the time of emperor Konstantine I.

Not quite. There was first the Gok "Blue" Turks who took over Central Asia and Transoxia. Then they split into the Eastern and Western Khanates, who had little to do with the Byzantines, as the Sassanids were in between them. They were broken by the Arab invasion, then they split into many tribes. Most stayed on the steppe. Only evantually did Seljuq take his tribe and settle in Asia Minor. So they hardly one day decided to take over the Byzantines, as most Turks had no intrest in the Byzantines. Only one tribe (well, then Osman's tribe...) wanted to, take over the Byzantines. And that was only after the breaking up of the larger Turkish Empire.

Wiz, Orda, feel free to correct my inacuracies, I tried as best as I could to explain how it was, but it is a bit confusing trying to explain the difference between the Turks who occupied what present day Turkey is around, and the Turkish people in general...

nice bait

How is it bait? It is certaintly a very good interpratation of history. You may not agree, but I see no reason why anyone would be offended, or feel baited.

Indeed, the Byzantine army, such as it was, would never have been as good as it was without the Turks to support them, and influence them. Indeed, at the end of Constantinople, many prefered the rule of the Turks to the Western Catholics.
The Turks were instremental in bringing much advance to Central Asia, the Middle East and Europe. Their military styles were superior to their enemies, and their art and style of dressing was seen in very many places.

[Advo-san]

Not quite. There was first the Gok "Blue" Turks who took over Central Asia and Transoxia. Then they split into the Eastern and Western Khanates, who had little to do with the Byzantines, as the Sassanids were in between them. They were broken by the Arab invasion, then they split into many tribes. Most stayed on the steppe. Only evantually did Seljuq take his tribe and settle in Asia Minor. So they hardly one day decided to take over the Byzantines, as most Turks had no intrest in the Byzantines. Only one tribe (well, then Osman's tribe...) wanted to, take over the Byzantines. And that was only after the breaking up of the larger Turkish Empire.

Wiz, Orda, feel free to correct my inacuracies, I tried as best as I could to explain how it was, but it is a bit confusing trying to explain the difference between the Turks who occupied what present day Turkey is around, and the Turkish people in general...


How is it bait? It is certaintly a very good interpratation of history. You may not agree, but I see no reason why anyone would be offended, or feel baited.

Indeed, the Byzantine army, such as it was, would never have been as good as it was without the Turks to support them, and influence them. Indeed, at the end of Constantinople, many prefered the rule of the Turks to the Western Catholics.
The Turks were instremental in bringing much advance to Central Asia, the Middle East and Europe. Their military styles were superior to their enemies, and their art and style of dressing was seen in very many places.

Have no doubt, turkish dresscode was Arabian-style, their stateship Byzantine-made, their fighting skills kurdish-powered (remember Saladin).

[Steppe Merc]

Turks as whole group (not as a nationality) were very interesting. I am more interested in the Turks that stayed on the steppes such as the Qipchaqs, Khazars, and many many others, but they all seemed to have the same fighting spirit and martial superiority when it came to horse archery.
The Turks that formed the kingdoms that evauntually formed Turkey, the Ottomans, were farther away from their nomadic roots. More infantry, and less horse archers (as the Jannisaries showed), but they were still certaintly good horsemen, and still had the marshal audor (for a while) of their nomadic predecessors.

[Mouzafphaerre]

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I have enough of them in life, don't need them here at the ORG!

Joke. Welcome to the ORG.

I have never known any Turks.

Do I know you sir?
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[Advo-san]

As I am Greek, I 'll probably be a bit prejudiced against the Turks, but I'll try to be as neutral as possible. First of all, the Turks were the military race of Islam, while the Arabs (Egyptians and Persians) were the cultural race. Most Turkish sultans didn't even know to read their holy book, the qum-ran, because they never learned arab, even though they knew how to declare Jihad against Christians...

The Turks jumped out of the steppe a fine morning and decided that their fate, their reason to be, was to conquer the eastern Roman Empire, which ment to become the Empire's imperial race by overthrowing the Greeks who have been the imperial race since the time of emperor Konstantine I.

The truth is that we (the Greeks), have finally got to realize by the end of the 11th century, that being the imperial race is more of a disanvantage than it is a privilege, and that the future belonged to National States, not to empires. The Turks never realized that. They came to Europe in 1453 with horses and carriages, and they left Europe 5 centuries ago with the same horses and carriages... No progress, no nothing.

Fine militants they were, but only militants, their empire cannot even dream to reach the glory of the millenium-lasted Byzantine Empire, the last one to actually deserve the title of the Empire.

[Templar Knight]

They're cool, I know a few from various places, nice and friendly

[caesar44]

As I am Greek, I 'll probably be a bit prejudiced against the Turks, but I'll try to be as neutral as possible. First of all, the Turks were the military race of Islam, while the Arabs (Egyptians and Persians) were the cultural race. Most Turkish sultans didn't even know to read their holy book, the qum-ran, because they never learned arab, even though they knew how to declare Jihad against Christians...

The Turks jumped out of the steppe a fine morning and decided that their fate, their reason to be, was to conquer the eastern Roman Empire, which ment to become the Empire's imperial race by overthrowing the Greeks who have been the imperial race since the time of emperor Konstantine I.

The truth is that we (the Greeks), have finally got to realize by the end of the 11th century, that being the imperial race is more of a disanvantage than it is a privilege, and that the future belonged to National States, not to empires. The Turks never realized that. They came to Europe in 1453 with horses and carriages, and they left Europe 5 centuries ago with the same horses and carriages... No progress, no nothing.

Fine militants they were, but only militants, their empire cannot even dream to reach the glory of the millenium-lasted Byzantine Empire, the last one to actually deserve the title of the Empire.

two things :

1. The Persians are not Arabs
2. The turks have control on European land even today (very small one indeed)

[Advo-san]

two things :

1. The Persians are not Arabs
2. The turks have control on European land even today (very small one indeed)

1) I used the word "Arabs" to describe all the non-turkish Muslim races. It isn't very accurate, but it is also not all that wrong.
2) The turks have immence control on european soil today.... Do not forget that Asia Minor was under christian authority untill 1071, wich means it has been christian (and so:european) more time than it has been muslim.
BUT I have used the word "europe" by terms of population, so the turks have been forced to abandon (almost all) the territories inhabitated by europeans(="Europe")

[Orda Khan]

I would guess that Turkish Sipahi was asking for thoughts on Turkish military. The political arguements that have followed are Backroom material, not the greatest place for debate on the Org.

The Turks, whether settled or nomadic have a long, enduring history. IMO, I think the spread of Islam robbed them of their culture somewhat but was probably a factor in their military success

......Orda

[PyrrhusofEpirus]

As I am Greek, I 'll probably be a bit prejudiced against the Turks, but I'll try to be as neutral as possible.

I 'm a greek too. It's tough for as to look at turks with neutral eye. Despite this, I'd like to give a bright side of turks, in addition that Wizard quoted.
In the last centuries of Byzantine empire, the population ratio of the state was dropping. This fact demostrates the vast poverty of the inhabitants. The feudal system was turning anachronistic, the continuous conflict between the imperial goverment and the regional nobles have led to a non-stop increasing of taxes, which had been collected from both sides, in purpose to fund their military.
The turkish conquest, introduce a new system in feudal Europe the IIRC "Eastern". A strong central goverment (High Gate), non powerful local governors appointed by sultan and viziers, and local administrators like mayors, which were often elected by people. This led, after many centuries, to a population boost in the former byzantine provinces, showing the decrease of poverty.

PS
Welcome to the .org Turkish_Sipahi

[cegorach]

Good guys. Poland had a friend in Turkey for a long time and there was hardly any hatered between our nations. Of course many people know about all those Polish-Turkish wars, but these were mostly because of some over-ambitious Ottoman leaders who were 'encouraged' to learn never to annoy our country in several battles


About the Turks in this forum - there are very helpful, reliable and you can count on their promises.
Don't you think Mouzafphaerre

Regards Cegorach

[English assassin]

Present day Turkey? It will be a bit of a worry if the secular tradition insisted on by Ataturk is overthrown by Islamic parties, certainly.

Should Turkey join the EU? Alas, I have to say until her GDP per head, basic legal structure and so on, are more aligned with Europe, I would have to say no. However I would hope that with trading links and other support the EU could help Turkey to a position where that is possible.

Lets face it it would put the wind up the Americans for a start.

I don't know all that much about historical Turkey, I gather that the Ottoman empire was no worse than any other, with all due respect I have to say I am glad the Austrians turned it back to the Balkans, and that, coupled with the fact that Lawrence of Arabia had a rather nasty experence in a Turkish jail, more or less sums up my knowledge.

Welcome to the Org.

[Colovion]

what do Turks call themselves?

seeing as the Europeans called nearly all steppe cultures Tatars or Turks, they just ended up accepting that name

[Franconicus]

Welcome here!

Do you want answers about history or present time?

[Idomeneas]

i'm turkish, our greatest history went to Austria gates. Europan gates. And i want yours idea? what are you thinking for Turks?

what kind of question is that?
hmm.... interesting smilie too.. almost got me..

By the way whats the meaning of this thread?