Re: A Rant at a Charitable cause
Amen, IMHO capitalism alone will not help (now all the continents money will disappear into kickbacks for corrupt politicians). They need an accountable system of government as well... sadly the powerbrokers are unwilling to relinquish their thrones, and as long as people keep blindly throwing money in their direction (do they care it's to help the poor?) nothing will be achieved.Originally Posted by Papewaio
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Re: A Rant at a Charitable cause
IMDHO a true democracy has to be accountable, it really is only a sham if it calls itself a democracy and has no accountability.
As for the amount of money $5000 per person has been donated to the people of Africa since the 1960s or about $100 per annum, most of which has probably been siphoned off for the people running the aid agencies, the government burecrats in the receiving countries, the corrupt leaders and militia of the country etc etc.
There is no point giving money to the likes of Zimbabwee when it will just go to the President and his cronies. Nor do the surrounding countries want to step in and stop it. Africa is stuffed because of its own politics, money or recognition or trade will not stop the basic corruption and murder that is draining these countries.
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Re: A Rant at a Charitable cause
Your question was already answeredHow can captilism or any sort of government succeed when the governments are so corrupt? Most people don't have educations, what sort of job would they get? Sure there are the typical labor jobs, but how many people can work as laborers?
You have to teach people to take care of themselves. Thats why education is so important in a demcracy.Democracy and Capitalism is the answer, at least we invest money in education, sports, health, police, universities. Not bulldozing millions of our own people out of their homes.
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Re: A Rant at a Charitable cause
Capitalism is the only economic system that can work under extreme corruption & croneyism. Socialism is indemically weak to it. Allowing a central body to 'look to the needs of the many with the resources of all' only works if you believe in the integrity of that central authority. Otherwise, it goes right into the pockets of those guys. Capitalism, which distributes wealth to the individual instead of a central authority, produces all sorts of income disparity and corruption of it's own. BUT it is the only system that the poor have a fighting chance under, because they can control the price of their labor. The system itself also demands that the entrepreneurs (or the evil rich, as Jag would call them) only profit so much from their endeavours and plow the majority of their money back into their enterprise.
What's more, capitalism gives the working poor more of a voice. Labor unions have much more impact in a capitalist versus a socialist economy. A strike is an annoyance to Ericsson. It would cripple, and possibly kill Motorola.
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Re: A Rant at a Charitable cause
No system can succeed if the powerful people of a nation do not want it. A dictator is a terrible thing, but they live by the sword, the stolen aid money and the corrupt corporate handouts. Lose these and they stand to lose everything. However I feel that imposing an alien system (democracy for example) either through economics or warfare cannot work. Home grown solutions work best. If this involves corruption, chaos, revolution and genocide then so be it (though it will be a shame to see Ethiopia finally collapse). The history of Africa has been a story of First World interference for centuries and it is time for that to end.
In fact I firmly believe that we should stop interfering with Africa entirely. Cancel the debts, the aid and the economic links and let them sort their own mess out. I know that we, especially Britain, feel the need to somehow make things better to ease our guilt over colonial days but I wonder whether our attempts help at all. Short-term we may save some lives but long-term I think we do more damage. Let the nations and tribes fight for ground, let them assume their own identity rather than that of our making and see what happens.
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