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    Default Re: Why so much speculations about Germany in WWII?

    And here again… The fact that the German are considered as THE superior war machine is based on two facts: First because they were the better trained and better motivated troops during the 1st phase of the war, two because the post war (cold war) western historians denied to the Russian (USSR) military skills and underestimated their material.
    The Germans were prepared for one kind of war, the Blitzkrieg, and all their weapons were designed of this goal. But, by the same token, these weapons became their weakness. A Stuka is good for his use, when the sky is clear, but too slow when the enemies have fighters. Heinkel 111, Ju 88, Dornier 17 were good for their purpose, but the lack of long range heavy bombers able to destroy the factories far behind the lines will doom their attack on Russia. The Me109, or 110, and even FW190 hadn’t enough petrol to be engage on a dogfight and during the battle of England, some pilot finish in the Channel just because they didn’t take care about their fuel level…

    According to von Rundstedt, who had fought in Russia during the WW1, the Blitzkrieg couldn’t work in Russia due to the immense landscape and the huge amount of men and material needed. He was proved right…
    Ulhrih fon Jugingen, where did you read that the Russian were ready to attack Germany?
    August von Kageneck, German historian and, if you believed what he wrote and said several times, was one of the fist to enter in USSR, being in the recon of the 9th Panzer, stated than the Russians were absolutely not prepared for what happened…
    This story of German pre-emptive strike is just a lie...
    The Russian tactic during the first months of the war was to counter offensive, what ever the cost. But, because the German ability and skills, they weren’t able to match. They had first to learn to defend, to put a halt to the German speed, which they did.
    At the end of the day, all the skills of the German officers can’t hide one thing: Barbarossa was a failure. It was indeed a catastrophe for the Russians, but even with all the tactical success, the tactical goals weren’t achieved… Between Barbarossa na Operation Typhoon (attack on Moscow) the Germans lost 830 903 casualties. They will never recover.
    Then the Russians (Rokosovsky,) developed the concept of the mechanised war, infantry and tanks working together (Moscow) and the Shield and the Sword (Koniev in Kursk).
    The T34 was not in use during Barbarosa, only in small number with ill trained crews (+ no radio, no proper command, no co-ordination).
    I think you mix-up the KV1 wit KV 85. The KV1 was a disaster.

    Cegoarchi1, the BT and T26 were light tank, equivalent to the Panzer I and II. The Germans deployed 3439 Panzers, you are right. However, on this amount 965 were Pz III, 439 PzI V (106 Pz 35(t), 181 Pz I (mainly in the Engineers), 476 Pz II, and 230 Pz III Befelswagen), plus all the autonomous units (panzerjager, Sturmgeschutz), Some French Somua S35 will be used in the occupied rear zones.
    The Russians had between 20 000 - 21 000 tanks. However, recent studies show that 29% of the old tanks needed heavy reparations and 44% light reparations. In fact, the Germans will have to face 15 000 tanks (967 T-34, 508 KV-1 & 2). On 13 500 tanks on the Western Front (for the Russians) only 5000 were really ready to fight. Which is still more than the Germans, but they were not ready…
    Be careful of figures, they don’t tell all the truth and reality…

    And the Germans planes in 1939 were better than most of their counterparts: Spifires, Breguet 693, Dewoitine d520 or other planes able to match with the Me109 were too few and too late…
    The Soviet planes during Barbarossa were mainly Polikarpov I16, and other biplanes or plane built in wood…

    Electric Celt, the German never develop the A bomb. They choose the wrong path. For what I read, they still needed long year of studies before to succeed something on this path. No country produced A bomb wit Heavy Water…

    Edyzmedieval, the support for the allies was a great support for the Russians in term of trains, lorries, jeeps and other logistic. The Russians weren’t so happy with the Grant, Matilda, Hurricane or Kitty-hawk they received which were inferior from their own Yack, Lavochkine, Mig, T34, KV85, JSU and other Joseph Stalin… When the US entered in the war, the Soviets had yet stopped the German and inflicted several blows to the Wehrmacht…
    The Koening Tiger was too heavy, too slow and too big, so to vulnerable to air strike, as it was proved during the Battle of the Bugles… If the Germans Tanks were so good, why they were not produced after the WW2?
    Of course it would have beaten the T-34 just because the T-34 conception was in 1935.
    The V2 was only useful against town, at cost a lot. One of the most Unecessary and expensive weapons never made…

    PzJg, we had this debate before. I didn’t convince you, you didn’t convince me. The German soldier was better, but the Russians were stronger more resilient. Never the Germans endured the lost of the Red Army and kept fighting… And Paulus wasn’t a good general. All his career was in the administration… No blame, but he was no match against Zukov, Vatoutine Vassilevsky or Rokossovsky.

    Papewaio an Soda, if Russia had only one front (but quiet a huge one) it is also because Zukov defeated the Japanese in Galing Gol…
    Last edited by Brenus; 07-07-2005 at 21:08.
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