Hattin 1187

**edyzmedieval** · 07-04-2005, 11:34

Today,

On this unfaithful day,

818 years ago,

The Crusaders of Jerusalem,

Were slaughtered on the field of Hattin by Salah-Aal-Din,

Ruler of the Saracens.

R.I.P.

**Templar Knight** · 07-04-2005, 11:41

**Advo-san** · 07-04-2005, 15:21

King Guy and the Templars...Fanatics always prevailed in Palestine, while peacemakers like Raymond of Tripoly were always put aside... That kind of behaviour led to the fall of our beautifull City, Constantinople, to the hands of that gang of mongolian thieves from the steppes.

**edyzmedieval** · 07-04-2005, 17:02

Curse you Mongolian bastards!!!

**Grey_Fox** · 07-04-2005, 19:30

The Ottomans conquered Constantinople, not the Mongols.

Also, the Byzantines lost to the Turks because the imbeciles spent too much time bickering with each other and not enough time fighting the Turks.

Not to mention the role of the Fourth Crusade.

**Dâriûsh** · 07-05-2005, 00:29

الله أكبر

(God is great)

**edyzmedieval** · 07-05-2005, 08:26

Originally Posted by Grey_Fox

The Ottomans conquered Constantinople, not the Mongols.

Also, the Byzantines lost to the Turks because the imbeciles spent too much time bickering with each other and not enough time fighting the Turks.

Not to mention the role of the Fourth Crusade.

The Turks are quite of Mongolian descent.....(that's why I used Mongolian, I know very well that the Turks conquered :( )

It's true, but also because they had bad rulers( see Theodosius II, Andronicus II ..... ).....

And last, the Fourth Crusade, which delivered a mortal blow....

**Grey_Fox** · 07-05-2005, 11:32

I really don't think you should hate the Turks for taking Constantinople. A people that spend more time fighting amongst themselves do not deserve to keep an empire.

**hokagenaruto3** · 07-06-2005, 21:17

No matter. If there's one race that constantly (even now) bicker amongst themselves, it's the Turks. It's when they were united, that they became very dangerous.

BTW, you shouldn't call Turks thieves, since Anatolia doesn't belong to greeks either. You Greek "thieves" took Troje didn't you? But you lied about how you took it didn't you?

If i recall correct, there were many Turkic people enlisted in the Byzantine armies. Ofcourse all of them cavalry. Without them it would have even been easier for them to take Byzantium.
Also, can anyone bring some info on the battle of Manzikert? Weren't the Turks outnumbered, but won because of good leadership, tactics and skill?

**econ21** · 07-06-2005, 21:41

Please let's not starting calling Turks or Greeks - of how ever many years ago - thieves, bastards etc. It may be intended as light hearted, but it's a recipe for animosity. I'm reading this thread for historical enlightenment about Hattin 1187

, not to see a re-enactment in cyber-space.

**GoreBag** · 07-06-2005, 22:16

RIP? More like good riddance. Praise to Salah-Aal-Din for his great victory.

**Watchman** · 07-06-2005, 22:22

Beh. What's it matter anyway ? Saladin ultimately failed to evict the Crusader States; the Mamluks would achieve that about a century later, after which most folks in the area pretty much forgot about the whole thing as they had more pressing matters to worry about.