Javalins

[The Grand Inquisitor]

So that means you dont need a master bowmaker to get +1 valour futuwwas? I always build the master bowyer and then the master swordsmith and only get the +1 valour after the swordsmith, but I get it without the master bowyer?

That doesn't seem right.
Futuwwas require a Bowyer3 and a Swordsmith1 (listed in that order in the CRUSADERS_UNIT_PROD11.TXT file ). So the +1 valour should come from having a Bowyer4. A Swordsmith4 should have no effect.

[tigger_on_vrb]

I can assure you 100% absolutely that you dont get +1 valour for Futuwwas with a master bowyer only, but you do after you also build a master swordsmith. I've never tried a master swordsmith without a master bowyer because I've always built the master bowyer first.

[bretwalda]

It would be good to get some solid evidence on this subject ;) Especially with the hybrid units. I like the Turks, so I am interested

I can assure you 100% absolutely that you dont get +1 valour for Futuwwas with a master bowyer only, but you do after you also build a master swordsmith. I've never tried a master swordsmith without a master bowyer because I've always built the master bowyer first.

[The Grand Inquisitor]

I can assure you 100% absolutely that you dont get +1 valour for Futuwwas with a master bowyer only, but you do after you also build a master swordsmith. I've never tried a master swordsmith without a master bowyer because I've always built the master bowyer first.

Looks like I'll have to play a Turkish game to confirm this.