Marathon reversed

[PyrrhusofEpirus]

The rise of rome began when they throw Phirhus out of Italy

My ex-girlfriend throw me out of Italy!

the conquest of greece was a free tour comparing these major victories

And yes I must admit it was a major victory of her!!!

[caesar44]

But your real name is not phirhus , ha ?

[PyrrhusofEpirus]

But your real name is not phirhus , ha ?

My real name is ΠΥΡΡΟΣΑΝΑΞΜΟΛΟΣΣΩΝ, "PYRROS ANAX MOLOSSON" (Pyrrhus, King of Molossians) if you can read only Latin script

[caesar44]

I meant what name your parents gave you

[PyrrhusofEpirus]

I meant what name your parents gave you

Pyrrhus, Prince of Molossians!!!
j/k
The name Pyrrhus still survive in northern Epirus (southern Albania), among the Greek minority. I suppose my compatriot BP could confirm this

[Hurin_Rules]

A Rome that had no knowledge of Aeschylus, Sophocles, Euripides and Aristophanes, or Homer, or Socrates, Plato and Aristotle, or Stoicism, or the Pre-Socratics, or Epaminondas, or Alexander, would have been a very different and much impoverished Rome.

[Steppe Merc]

Who is to say other Iranian philosphers wouldn't have risen?

[Byzantine Prince]

Pyrrhus, Prince of Molossians!!!
j/k
The name Pyrrhus still survive in northern Epirus (southern Albania), among the Greek minority. I suppose my compatriot BP could confirm this

Piro Dima the world's weight lifting champion comes to mind. He was born in Albania like me. Then he used his greek background(and athletic skill) to immigrate to Greece. Hell I think all of Greece's weight lifting champion have come from northern epirotes.

Some thing in the water maybe. I don't know, I am very weak in muscle mass.

[English assassin]

Dont forget that the rise of Rome began with the conquest of Greece, that Rome's biggest province. What would have happened if Rome had to fight against the Persians in order to make their first step into the East?

As Ceasar says the rise of Rome really began with the first Punic war and the annexation of Sicilly as the first Roman Province.

Unless the Persian conquest of Greece had affected the rise of Rome then with no disrespect to the Greeks its hard to see it would have had much long term impact. It seems to me that even after such a conquest, history would have been back on "our" track unless the Persian conquest of Greece had somehow stopped Alexander (or really Philip) arising. If Alexander still happened then the Romans would still have had three divided post-alexandrian kingdoms to deal with in the east instead of one unified power.

That in turn would mean Persia holding onto Greece for well over 100 years and then intevening to prevent the rise of Macedonia. IMHO its far too speculative to say whether or not that is likely but my guess, and it is a pure guess, is that the Greeks would have ejected the Persians at some point long before, and therefore nothing much would be changed. Thats assuming the Persians made any attempt to stay, as opposed to looting, placing clients as rulers in the cities, taking hostages, and then retiring gratefully back to somewhere altogether more civilised.