Aleins

[Abokasee]

Have you spotted Aleins of any sorts? heard of you or your friends but adubted? saw a UFO got web links to goverment of any kind info which has been leaked out? saw aleins? killed em? anything to do with aleins post HERE infact i have seen em too..


I was at school my friend jason sayed that has "channel 5" and there was something about aleins some 30, 23 years ago which killed 6 people blown some cars up they looked like people standing up and had three arms and they had lasers which looked like shotguns and there heads looked like ants.

that same day i saw one a white one it wasnt armed it was in a corner hiding some how i went a lil closer then it was gone, we place a ball there, 45 secs later the ball was some where else the had moved it....

[Gawain of Orkeny]

You left out probably the number one choice. That being either I dont know or Im not sure.

[King of Atlantis]

depends on what you consider aliens. I believe they found dead bacteria on a rock that came from mars. Other than that i dont really know, but they probably exist somewhere.

[Big_John]

depends on what you consider aliens. I believe they found dead bacteria on a rock that came from mars.

i've actually looked at ALH84001, the putative 'bacteria' are quite unconvincing. i think it's certainly possible that mars once harbored life, but i don't think we have any evidence for that. the only thing the theory really has going for it is that the shape and size of some of the supposed fossils are similar to earth nanobacteria. by itself, that's not much.

personally, i have no information upon which to base an assumption about aliens. an "i don't know" from me as well.

[Duke Malcolm]

Aliens? I see them all the time. They own most newsagents in my area and do damned fine food.

Oh... You mean aliens from space, not foreigners...

I can't say I've seen many, but I'm sure that their existence is inevitable...

Edit: Accidentally clicked the "saw them" option...

[caesar44]

It is not a question of belief but of proofs

[Abokasee]

note: if you vote you must post!

[InsaneApache]

I saw some Cantonese working in a Chinese take away near me....does that count?.......

[Don Corleone]

I can't imagine we're the only intelligent lifeform out there. That being said, I have no knowledge of the existence of any lifeforms.

I don't believe in abductions. I can't believe there's a species out there that's intelligent enough to cross interstellar distances that wouldn't be able to monitor us without having to come down and and abduct us. And even if they did, they'd be smart enough that there wouldn't be any recolleciton/record of it. I mean, it's like they're a bunch of boobs that can't get the whole secret part of secret abduction down right.

My hypothesis is that there's at least one, possibly several species out there intelligent enough to come visit and monitor us. However, I believe they realize the cataclysmic affects this would have on our society and have placed us under a quarantine of sorts. The Prime Directive just makes too much sense.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Then again theres the theory that the aliens are already here and their called..................Man

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

I can't imagine we're the only intelligent lifeform out there.

I am unaware of the existance of ANY intelligent life forms.

[Big_John]

i don't mean to hijack the thread, but i'd like to know one thing; all of you who believe that extraterrestrial life is likely, what is your basis for that belief?

[Viking]

i don't mean to hijack the thread, but i'd like to know one thing; all of you who believe that extraterrestrial life is likely, what is your basis for that belief?

Logic.
It is so extremely unlikely that Earth is the only planet in the unverse with life.
Intelligent life though, don`t necesarily have to exist.

[Big_John]

Logic.
It is so extremely unlikely that Earth is the only planet in the unverse with life.

why is it extremely unlikely?

[Viking]

why is it extremely unlikely?

Well, if there`s only life on Earth then it would be by a such huge strike of fortune that we exist that I barely can believe it.

Moreover; in the early beginning of the Solar System the planets often exchanged big pieces of rock between each other thanks to powerfull impacts from asteroids and comets. That can be compared to "swap spit".
In one theory we`re actually all martians

[Divinus Arma]

Wheee! This is fun! I like topics like this.

[Ianofsmeg16]

The matter of aliens in the universe is a thing of probability...at night just turn your head at right angles to the ground and peer at the stars. Now, taking our solar system as a guidline, imagine 9 planets to every star, and say in the sky directly above you there is 1 million stars visible (not accurate i know, but for theories sake) that is 9*1,000,000=9,000,000. Now, again taking our solar system into account (1 liveable planet) that is 1 million planets in your feild of view that should be able to hold life. 1 million! and people are tellling me aliens are complete rubbish. There are other factors aswell e.g the there maybe two or three planets in a solar system which are liveable, after looking at the stars and thinking about what i just said. Tell me there is no life out there
thats my point, comment if you wish
smeg.

[Big_John]

Well, if there`s only life on Earth then it would be by a such huge strike of fortune that we exist that I barely can believe it.

however one's belief is no test of validity, of course.

Moreover; in the early beginning of the Solar System the planets often exchanged big pieces of rock between each other thanks to powerfull impacts from asteroids and comets. That can be compared to "swap spit".
In one theory we`re actually all martians

as far as we can tell, life did not come into being on earth until well after the solar system had calmed down. indeed the high rates of accretion of the early solar system would have prevented life as we know it from ever forming in the first place. however, certainly material is swaped between planets even today.. but under these circumstances we are talking only about life from one planet. there's no doubt that parts of mars, for example, could be made (with little effort) to host certain types of earth life. i should clarify; what i mean by extraterrestrial life is life that originated elsewhere than earth.

(2) Science and logic. Science has proven that there are "billions and billions" of pretty much any outerspace conspect you can imagine. Billions of stars, billions of planets, billions of black holes, billions of galaxies, etc. Therefore, it is reasonably logical to assume that somewhere there is an environment that could host the development of life, and probably intelligent life as well.

astronomy has shown that there are most likely many planets in the universe, however, no scientific field, that i know of, can make reasonable assertions about the likelihood that any of these planets can (much less do) harbor life. why would one assume that they can support life as a default position? how do you compute the probabilities?

The matter of aliens in the universe is a thing of probability...at night just turn your head at right angles to the ground and peer at the stars. Now, taking our solar system as a guidline, imagine 9 planets to every star, and say in the sky directly above you there is 1 million stars visible (not accurate i know, but for theories sake) that is 9*1,000,000=9,000,000. Now, again taking our solar system into account (1 liveable planet) that is 1 million planets in your feild of view that should be able to hold life. 1 million! and people are tellling me aliens are complete rubbish. There are other factors aswell e.g the there maybe two or three planets in a solar system which are liveable, after looking at the stars and thinking about what i just said. Tell me there is no life out there
thats my point, comment if you wish
smeg.

even accepting all of your numerical assumptions for argument's sake, your conclusion is only as strong as your data. 9 planets is not a very strong sample base.

[Divinus Arma]

i don't mean to hijack the thread, but i'd like to know one thing; all of you who believe that extraterrestrial life is likely, what is your basis for that belief?

I think there arw two defining categories that answer this for everyone (I think):

(1) Religion. Usually, and I say usually, the very religious are more inclined to accept the notion that human beings are divinely created and thus the only being worthy enough to be intelligent. The religious also seem to favor the notion that the earth and humans have a specific purpose for god (what that purpose is remains to be explained, other than for God's amusement).

(2) Science and logic. Science has proven that there are "billions and billions" of pretty much any outerspace conspect you can imagine. Billions of stars, billions of planets, billions of black holes, billions of galaxies, etc. Therefore, it is reasonably logical to assume that somewhere there is an environment that could host the development of life, and probably intelligent life as well.


I am a middle-of-the-roader on this one, becasue I belive that both concepts are possible without being contradictory. Here is my perspective: The world was flat once, right? And when we found "the new world", it turned out to be humans on the other side. Well, one day we may find another "new world" and my concept of God leads to me conclude that we will find intelligent life not too unlike our own, though more advanced.

The alternative, of course, is that I am wrong from a religious perspective, and thus we will be viewed as an inconsequential organism suited to the purposes of the higher life form. Just as we treat animals, so to will we be treated.

The other alternative is that I am worng from a religious perspective, in which case I except to have a very nice tan very quickly.

[HunkinElvis]

i don't mean to hijack the thread, but i'd like to know one thing; all of you who believe that extraterrestrial life is likely, what is your basis for that belief?

Well than what is the basis of your belief that there are no aliens? You have not been to the entire universe. Therefore you do not have proof that there are no aliens.

[Big_John]

Well than what is the basis of your belief that there are no aliens?

i do not believe there are no aliens; i'm neutral on the issue, atm.

[Big_John]

i make my own options!


i didn't bother voting.

[Alexander the Pretty Good]

Usually I say "No Aliens" just to bother people. I love it when I hear people say "How arrogant to assume we're the only ones" and blah blah blah. How arrogant to assume I'm wrong.

[Steppe Merc]

I think there are other life forms elsewhere. Whether or not they've visted Earth, I don't know, but there is some pretty weird, unexlpained stuff. Most of it can be exlpained, but the few things that can't be...
I don't see how it's possible only this planet has life. I don't know if other life flies spaceships or is even intelligent, but it's out there.

[PanzerJaeger]

Dont know, dont care.

[Steppe Merc]

Reagan certaintly cared enough to mention it in multiple speeches, him going on about "If an alien life from another planet invaded, we'd all join together", or something along those lines.

[PanzerJaeger]

Reagan was a greater man than me.

[Laridus Konivaich]

I do not believe in aliens (I assume that this is what you mean), but if anyone can give my a valid proof/reason of why I should believe in them, then I would be very happy to do so.

[Big_John]

Not true. Life arose only some hundred million years after the creation of the Earth, and at that time Earth was still heavily bombarded. That means that micro organisms could have travelled on big pieces of rock that was thrown in to space and potentially infected planets like Mars. Or the other way round: Mars infected Earth and we`re all Martians.

you said the "early beginning" of the solar system, which is ~11-13 billion years old. life could not have existed on the earth during the first half of the solar system's existence. for one, the earth body itself probably hasn't been in existence more than 5 billion years. and even once most of the body had formed, accretion rates were still high enough that the early earth was molten. it is highly unlikely that life formed on earth until after accretion had slowed enough for the earth to form a crust (and an atmosphere). this is what i meant by "life did not come into being on earth until well after the solar system had calmed down".

in any case, i agree that life can be transferred between planets, large enough impacts to do such happen to this day. however, i don't consider earth life seeding mars (or vice-versa) to be an example of what we are talking about. by "extraterrestrial life", i mean life that has different origins to the life found on earth.

Well, if it's more or less, the point of that post was to show people that, with the amount of stars, solar systems and galaxies out there, the probability that there would be life on others worlds in close to 100%

i still don't see how you have enough information to compute any probability, assuming the universe of not infinite in size.

[Ianofsmeg16]

i still don't see how you have enough information to compute any probability, assuming the universe of not infinite in size.

BAH! I've always been bad at maths.....i beleive there] is other life out there, you may not believe, i dont mind.

And would we know what aliens looked like...wheneveer somebody has an experience with aliens, be it Abduction or the film Independance day, they always seem to portray aliens as human like, whether it be an insect or an intelligent crystal they always seem to portray human emotions and actions, like speech, for one thing, maybe these aliens have no concept of death, therefore cannot die(like you can't chop someones arm off if they dont have an arm)? anyway that is my bit.

p.s Read Sphere by Michal Crichton, damn good book, s'bout aliens