Aleins

**Abokasee** · 07-04-2005, 18:19

Have you spotted Aleins of any sorts? heard of you or your friends but adubted? saw a UFO got web links to goverment of any kind info which has been leaked out? saw aleins? killed em? anything to do with aleins post HERE infact i have seen em too..

I was at school my friend jason sayed that has "channel 5" and there was something about aleins some 30, 23 years ago which killed 6 people blown some cars up they looked like people standing up and had three arms and they had lasers which looked like shotguns and there heads looked like ants.

that same day i saw one a white one it wasnt armed it was in a corner hiding some how i went a lil closer then it was gone, we place a ball there, 45 secs later the ball was some where else the had moved it....

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 07-04-2005, 18:29

You left out probably the number one choice. That being either I dont know or Im not sure.

**King of Atlantis** · 07-04-2005, 18:43

depends on what you consider aliens. I believe they found dead bacteria on a rock that came from mars. Other than that i dont really know, but they probably exist somewhere.

**Abokasee** · 07-04-2005, 19:00

note: if you vote you must post!

**InsaneApache** · 07-04-2005, 19:05

I saw some Cantonese working in a Chinese take away near me....does that count?.......

**Don Corleone** · 07-04-2005, 19:20

I can't imagine we're the only intelligent lifeform out there. That being said, I have no knowledge of the existence of any lifeforms.

I don't believe in abductions. I can't believe there's a species out there that's intelligent enough to cross interstellar distances that wouldn't be able to monitor us without having to come down and and abduct us. And even if they did, they'd be smart enough that there wouldn't be any recolleciton/record of it. I mean, it's like they're a bunch of boobs that can't get the whole secret part of secret abduction down right.

My hypothesis is that there's at least one, possibly several species out there intelligent enough to come visit and monitor us. However, I believe they realize the cataclysmic affects this would have on our society and have placed us under a quarantine of sorts. The Prime Directive just makes too much sense.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 07-04-2005, 19:22

Then again theres the theory that the aliens are already here and their called..................Man

**Big_John** · 07-04-2005, 19:23

Originally Posted by King of Atlantis

depends on what you consider aliens. I believe they found dead bacteria on a rock that came from mars.

i've actually looked at ALH84001, the putative 'bacteria' are quite unconvincing. i think it's certainly possible that mars once harbored life, but i don't think we have any evidence for that. the only thing the theory really has going for it is that the shape and size of some of the supposed fossils are similar to earth nanobacteria. by itself, that's not much.

personally, i have no information upon which to base an assumption about aliens. an "i don't know" from me as well.

**Duke Malcolm** · 07-04-2005, 19:55

Aliens? I see them all the time. They own most newsagents in my area and do damned fine food.

Oh... You mean aliens from space, not foreigners...

I can't say I've seen many, but I'm sure that their existence is inevitable...

Edit: Accidentally clicked the "saw them" option...

**caesar44** · 07-04-2005, 20:16

It is not a question of belief but of proofs

**Divinus Arma** · 07-04-2005, 20:54

Or in other words, "Do you agree with any concept of extraterrestrial life, especially intelligent extraterrestrial life?" I agree that it is not a question of beliefs.

I think that it is logical to conclude that there exists extraterrestrial life. Any notion beyond that is science fiction until evidence leads to new logic. I cannot conclude that we have been contacted, probed in the butt, abducted, etc, until reasonable evidence other than Jack Johnny Smith from a Kentucky trailer park saying so. Maybe they pick their victims for this exact purpose: "Hey if we abduct a redneck and ass rape him, no one will ever believe him when we drop him off half-naked outside his favorite strip club!"

In all seriousness, sure I do. I think it would exciting and amazing to have more evolved life 'take us under the wing' so to speak. There are probably many different species of ETs also.

But it raises the question: Did Jesus die for the Aliens sins, too? If not, then they either go to hell or go nowhere just like animals. Unless they had their own Jesus. But then Jesus would not be the "only" son then, huh? Heehee. Mixing religion with Aliens is fun!

**Big_John** · 07-04-2005, 21:11

i don't mean to hijack the thread, but i'd like to know one thing; all of you who believe that extraterrestrial life is likely, what is your basis for that belief?

**Viking** · 07-04-2005, 21:23

Originally Posted by Big_John

i don't mean to hijack the thread, but i'd like to know one thing; all of you who believe that extraterrestrial life is likely, what is your basis for that belief?

Logic.
It is so extremely unlikely that Earth is the only planet in the unverse with life.
Intelligent life though, don`t necesarily have to exist.

**Big_John** · 07-04-2005, 21:26

Originally Posted by Viking

Logic.
It is so extremely unlikely that Earth is the only planet in the unverse with life.

why is it extremely unlikely?

**Divinus Arma** · 07-04-2005, 21:34

Originally Posted by Big_John

i don't mean to hijack the thread, but i'd like to know one thing; all of you who believe that extraterrestrial life is likely, what is your basis for that belief?

I think there arw two defining categories that answer this for everyone (I think):

(1) Religion. Usually, and I say usually, the very religious are more inclined to accept the notion that human beings are divinely created and thus the only being worthy enough to be intelligent. The religious also seem to favor the notion that the earth and humans have a specific purpose for god (what that purpose is remains to be explained, other than for God's amusement).

(2) Science and logic. Science has proven that there are "billions and billions" of pretty much any outerspace conspect you can imagine. Billions of stars, billions of planets, billions of black holes, billions of galaxies, etc. Therefore, it is reasonably logical to assume that somewhere there is an environment that could host the development of life, and probably intelligent life as well.

I am a middle-of-the-roader on this one, becasue I belive that both concepts are possible without being contradictory. Here is my perspective: The world was flat once, right? And when we found "the new world", it turned out to be humans on the other side. Well, one day we may find another "new world" and my concept of God leads to me conclude that we will find intelligent life not too unlike our own, though more advanced.

The alternative, of course, is that I am wrong from a religious perspective, and thus we will be viewed as an inconsequential organism suited to the purposes of the higher life form. Just as we treat animals, so to will we be treated.

The other alternative is that I am worng from a religious perspective, in which case I except to have a very nice tan very quickly.

**Viking** · 07-04-2005, 21:35

Originally Posted by Big_John

why is it extremely unlikely?

Well, if there`s only life on Earth then it would be by a such huge strike of fortune that we exist that I barely can believe it.

Moreover; in the early beginning of the Solar System the planets often exchanged big pieces of rock between each other thanks to powerfull impacts from asteroids and comets. That can be compared to "swap spit".
In one theory we`re actually all martians

**Divinus Arma** · 07-04-2005, 21:37

Wheee! This is fun! I like topics like this.

**Divinus Arma** · 07-04-2005, 21:42

It really does seem to boil down to two opposing concepts, with a spectrum of combinations in the middle.

At one end, we are divinely created in God's image, unique, and thus Alone in the universe.

On the other end, we are a product of random events and evolution.

I favor the middle ground in between both extremes, believing that we were divinely 'guided'. This leaves open the option for Aliens.

If we were a product of chance, then life has no purpose.

**Ianofsmeg16** · 07-04-2005, 21:42

The matter of aliens in the universe is a thing of probability...at night just turn your head at right angles to the ground and peer at the stars. Now, taking our solar system as a guidline, imagine 9 planets to every star, and say in the sky directly above you there is 1 million stars visible (not accurate i know, but for theories sake) that is 9*1,000,000=9,000,000. Now, again taking our solar system into account (1 liveable planet) that is 1 million planets in your feild of view that should be able to hold life. 1 million! and people are tellling me aliens are complete rubbish. There are other factors aswell e.g the there maybe two or three planets in a solar system which are liveable, after looking at the stars and thinking about what i just said. Tell me there is no life out there
thats my point, comment if you wish
smeg.

**Big_John** · 07-04-2005, 22:05

Originally Posted by Viking

Well, if there`s only life on Earth then it would be by a such huge strike of fortune that we exist that I barely can believe it.

however one's belief is no test of validity, of course.

Moreover; in the early beginning of the Solar System the planets often exchanged big pieces of rock between each other thanks to powerfull impacts from asteroids and comets. That can be compared to "swap spit".
In one theory we`re actually all martians

as far as we can tell, life did not come into being on earth until well after the solar system had calmed down. indeed the high rates of accretion of the early solar system would have prevented life as we know it from ever forming in the first place. however, certainly material is swaped between planets even today.. but under these circumstances we are talking only about life from one planet. there's no doubt that parts of mars, for example, could be made (with little effort) to host certain types of earth life. i should clarify; what i mean by extraterrestrial life is life that originated elsewhere than earth.

Originally Posted by Divinus Arma

(2) Science and logic. Science has proven that there are "billions and billions" of pretty much any outerspace conspect you can imagine. Billions of stars, billions of planets, billions of black holes, billions of galaxies, etc. Therefore, it is reasonably logical to assume that somewhere there is an environment that could host the development of life, and probably intelligent life as well.

astronomy has shown that there are most likely many planets in the universe, however, no scientific field, that i know of, can make reasonable assertions about the likelihood that any of these planets can (much less do) harbor life. why would one assume that they can support life as a default position? how do you compute the probabilities?

Originally Posted by ian_of_smeg16

The matter of aliens in the universe is a thing of probability...at night just turn your head at right angles to the ground and peer at the stars. Now, taking our solar system as a guidline, imagine 9 planets to every star, and say in the sky directly above you there is 1 million stars visible (not accurate i know, but for theories sake) that is 9*1,000,000=9,000,000. Now, again taking our solar system into account (1 liveable planet) that is 1 million planets in your feild of view that should be able to hold life. 1 million! and people are tellling me aliens are complete rubbish. There are other factors aswell e.g the there maybe two or three planets in a solar system which are liveable, after looking at the stars and thinking about what i just said. Tell me there is no life out there
thats my point, comment if you wish
smeg.

even accepting all of your numerical assumptions for argument's sake, your conclusion is only as strong as your data. 9 planets is not a very strong sample base.

**Divinus Arma** · 07-04-2005, 22:12

Big John, the problem we have is that we have sample size of 1. You cannot do statistics with n = 1. Sure we could have an unknown population size, but how do you compute probability with n = 1? You can't. Ant that is the problem. Thus, we can not know one way or the other. And once we have a sample size of n=2, then we already have an answer!

Edit:

It appears to be more logical to accept it as a likely possibility rather than to dismiss it as an impossibility.

Besides, from what frame are you approaching this question? Religion, statistics, what?

**kiwitt** · 07-04-2005, 22:45

I have serious doubts as to the existence of intelligent life being out there, that we can contact.

1) Earth is in the perfect orbital position to sustain life; not to hot or too cold. How many other planets will be this lucky.
2) Not all stars we see have planets.
3) Our existence can be numbered in 10,000 years, a very short period in universal terms.
4) The odds of another intelligent life existing in that same time as us within our vicinity is very remote.
5) The distances to be covered, unless the "Speed of Light" can be broken (which I doubt), makes contact very unlikely.

Therefore do I believe in Aliens. No.
Do I think they exist, maybe. I still await the proof.

**Divinus Arma** · 07-04-2005, 22:57