Aleins

**Laridus Konivaich** · 07-05-2005, 03:48

I do not believe in aliens (I assume that this is what you mean), but if anyone can give my a valid proof/reason of why I should believe in them, then I would be very happy to do so.

**JAG** · 07-05-2005, 04:34

Although sometimes when looking at Conservatives I believe I am speaking / seeing people from a totally different universe - especially with certain remarks - I do not think I have ever seen a real one. However I do believe that somewhere there is some form of different intelligent life.

**Sasaki Kojiro** · 07-05-2005, 04:40

No such thing as Aliens. As far as I'm concerned the stars are tiny little sparkles in the sky.

**GoreBag** · 07-05-2005, 05:29

If the universe (multiverse?) really is infinite, then aliens must exist. Of course, we don't know that it is infinite, but even if it isn't, I'd say there's a reasonable chance they exist.

However, they aren't like the aliens in Signs. Why would you attack a planet where a horribly acidic substance falls from the sky? That movie sucked.

**lars573** · 07-05-2005, 05:39

To steal the natural resources before it rained obviously.

**Papewaio** · 07-05-2005, 06:18

And as we all know there is no dew in corn fields before dawn

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Is there alien life outside this solar system? I hope so, but it is very strange that along all the electromagnetic spectrum we are not seeing signs of life across the whole of the galaxy

Given how quickly we could move across it in a million years based on our technology. It would seem logical that the galaxy should either be barren or teaming with life, not inbetween.

**Divinus Arma** · 07-05-2005, 08:44

Originally Posted by Papewaio

And as we all know there is no dew in corn fields before dawn

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Is there alien life outside this solar system? I hope so, but it is very strange that along all the electromagnetic spectrum we are not seeing signs of life across the whole of the galaxy

Given how quickly we could move across it in a million years based on our technology. It would seem logical that the galaxy should either be barren or teaming with life, not inbetween.

With the universe so huge, perhpas it is our concept of barren or teeming is flawed. What do we say is teeming? life in every solar system? On every planet? In ever galaxy? Every other galaxy? Dig up a gallon of sand and you will only find so much of one substance. In some there is more variety, in others there is less. Is antarctica barren? If it was the only life, would we say it was teeming?

**Ja'chyra** · 07-05-2005, 08:50

I believe there must be life, intelligent or otherwise, out there and I think that believing that we are the only life is the greatest arrogance, if the universe is infinite then aliens are not just likely but probable.

I also believe that saying a world cannot support life because it is too hot, cold, no water etc is fundementally flawed as this assumption is based on the premise that all life would be similar to us, this again I see as arrogance.

But as for the anal probings and drunken abductions, whatever gets you off the hook when trying to explain to the wife why you're home late

**Ironside** · 07-05-2005, 10:04

Originally Posted by NeonGod

However, they aren't like the aliens in Signs. Why would you attack a planet where a horribly acidic substance falls from the sky? That movie sucked.

What do you think about fog?

And yes the aliens was idiots in that movie.

On the issue. The big question about life, is actually how often it creates.

When you have life it's extremely resitant, it can temporarily (from a few hours to years) survive 60.000 meters sea pressure, vacuum, 0,05 degrees kelvin, take doses of ionized radiation 1000 times stronger than what kills humans, and survive 150 degrees celsius. Although this is during a safe state (cryptobios), this is multi-celluar life. So killing off life entirely isn't easy.

The amount of planets that exists should atleast give a "few" planets fit for life, even as we know it (carbon-based, water-needing). So if life occurs commonly on planets fit for life, then we have life on other planets. If we ever get life in a test-tube or find any life not comming from earth, then we have proved this point.

When it comes to intelligent life, we first need multi-celluar life (or life radically different from what we know). This one is tricky to know how often it happens, but we can assume that it will happen at some point, as life itself will live until the planet itself dies. When it comes to intelligent life we can assume the same. It will occur at some point atleast.

What's talks against intelligent life is what Pape said, we have had no contact with it. This can be because life is really rare, even that we are alone, that intelligent species like to destroy themself

, faster than light travel is impossible, we are in "quarantine" by some reason (too low development perhaps), that we cannot recognize the contact. Any more suggestions?

So IMO is the question if we are alone or if intelligent life exist, as is life on other planets exist, then the likehood of other intelligent life is quite high.

And finally on the "kidnapped by aliens" issue, earlier was people kidnapped by mythological creatures in the forest, lakes etc (It can be worth noticing that sleeping with some of these creatures was punishable by death, so in the mind of humans, they were certainly alive).
So either haven't the aliens changed tactics for a couple of hundred years, or it exist some type of humans that "like" being abducted by mysterious creatures. And as I agree with Don Carleone on this (stupid method, to abduct people) I say that the second alternative makes more sense.

Edit:

Global contact was also impossible up until recently. We only figure out the earth was round a few hundred years ago! We have a lot of growing up to do.

That humans thought the earth was flat during the middle ages is a myth from the nineteenth century.

**Samurai Waki** · 07-05-2005, 11:07

I was going to say that. As far as alien abductions go, there have been many claims, but as to no indication why... apparently Aliens just like anal probing.

As far as the Universe Goes, it is a complicated subject that we'll never truly know, much like religion/after life. I find it hard to believe that if you travelled far enough in the Universe you'd just end up hitting a brick wall...

There is proof that some species do not need Oxygen to survive, micro-organisms found at the bottom of the Ocean have been proven to sustain themselves on Sulpher Vents.

And I do believe that some form of extra-terrestial beings exist elsewhere in this Universe. Out of the Billions of Galaxies, and Billions of Star Systems within those Galaxies, something else has got to exist.

Have Aliens ever visited earth. I don't know for sure, but I am pretty doubtful of it. I don't know why, but I got a hunch that if Aliens could travel as far as Earth, they'd probably rather inhabit a planet more suitable to them, if I was an Alien there'd be no way in hell that I'd settle around some planet infested with war-mongering Humans.

**Divinus Arma** · 07-06-2005, 15:44

Originally Posted by Ironside

That humans thought the earth was flat during the middle ages is a myth from the nineteenth century.

Prove it. This is one hell of a statement. Sure there were a few underground scientitsts, but that's about it. They all thought Columbus would fall off the side of the world. Myth? Promulgated by whom?

I say again: Prove it.