US constitution , $$$$ and God

**Alexander the Pretty Good** · 07-05-2005, 02:47

Prayer has been determined to be acceptable, when all religions are included. Religious displays are acceptable, except where it connotes establishment. We even take my tax dollars and give them to faith-based organizations.

I'd bet that there are other things they take tax dollars for that people don't agree with...

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 07-05-2005, 02:54

This is an oft-used, but inaccurate, claim by the religious right. The recent Supreme Court ruling that stated that religious displays, where part of an historical or social context, are acceptable, while use of specific religious theories as guiding or overriding legal foundations are inappropriate.

Its legal in Texas but not in Kentucky. They couldnt even agree on two cases about the samething. Ths sets a very dangerous precedent. This court is a sham. Meanwhile the ten comandment are displayed twice in their own chamber.

**ichi** · 07-05-2005, 02:55

Originally Posted by Alexander the Pretty Good

I'd bet that there are other things they take tax dollars for that people don't agree with...

you would prolly win that bet

regardless, the fact that we give tax $$ to faith-based organizations is one clear indicator that religion isn't being purged from government.

ichi

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 07-05-2005, 03:06

regardless, the fact that we give tax $$ to faith-based organizations is one clear indicator that religion isn't being purged from government.

That dosent mean their not trying. Theres been plenty of bitching from the left about this.

**Alexander the Pretty Good** · 07-05-2005, 03:07

regardless, the fact that we give tax $$ to faith-based organizations is one clear indicator that religion isn't being purged from government.

How far do we go in "purging" (not a great choice of words) "religion" (also vague) from the government?

**ichi** · 07-05-2005, 03:14

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

That dosent mean their not trying. Theres been plenty of bitching from the left about this.

and an equal (actually a greater IMO) amount from those who would establish a form of Christianity as our national faith.

How far do we go in "purging" (not a great choice of words) "religion" (also vague) from the government?

We're at good place now, allowing reference to an unidentified supreme being and being inclusive of all faiths, allowing leaders to rely on their faith but denying them the ability to impose their faith on the rest of us.

ichi

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 07-05-2005, 03:21

and an equal (actually a greater IMO) amount from those who would establish a form of Christianity as our national faith.

I dont know a one. Me thinks tho art mistaken. Ill bet there are more Muslims who would like to see some form of Islam as our national faith.

**ichi** · 07-05-2005, 04:08

Just a few weeks ago the thread containing this link was locked, so I may be treading thin ice here posting the link again.

I know you saw the thread and that you are aware of these folks.

It contains a long list of influential people who wish to increase the power of the Christian churches in our government, often to the exclusion (as PJ has called for) of people who think differently than they do.

At any rate, there's as much effort being put forth trying to increase religious influence as there is trying to curtail it.

ichi

**PanzerJaeger** · 07-05-2005, 04:12

It contains a long list of influential people who wish to increase the power of the Christian churches in our government, often to the exclusion (as PJ has called for) of people who think differently than they do.

Whoa, I thought I made myself clear when I said I do not support any sort of theocracy.

My fight is with liberals who are intolerant of religion. I really dont care if my elected leaders are Christian or not as long as they arent leftist.