(Great White) Shark v. (Grizzly) Bear -- the final showdown between Good and Evil

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Kanamori 14:53 07-05-2005

Well, who would win? (We are assuming a space neither like water nor like land; it is a metaphysical ground for fighting, if you will.)

Perhaps more importantly, which one is better suited to Good or to Evil -- this part is discussion only, sorry no poll here. Use whichever methods of qualifying you see fit, but please, please tell us how you qualified these two. There will be no "Darth Vader would win because he is better", tell us how he is better. :book:

Kanamori 15:09 07-05-2005

American Grizzly

Originally Posted by :
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 3.2
MOBILITY 0
SHELTER 5.9
GOODS/SERVICES 5.4
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 15

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY (We used an American Grizzly )IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 3.3 PLANETS.

Great White Shark

Originally Posted by :
CATEGORY ACRES
FOOD 4.2
MOBILITY 0
SHELTER 2
GOODS/SERVICES 1.7
TOTAL FOOTPRINT 8

IN COMPARISON, THE AVERAGE ECOLOGICAL FOOTPRINT IN YOUR COUNTRY IS 24 ACRES PER PERSON.

WORLDWIDE, THERE EXIST 4.5 BIOLOGICALLY PRODUCTIVE ACRES PER PERSON.

IF EVERYONE LIVED LIKE YOU, WE WOULD NEED 1.8 PLANETS.

So, I've done the hard part for you. It turns out that the Great White is better, i.e. a better person, than the Wasteful Grizzly.

Ja'chyra 15:48 07-05-2005

And there it is, a new low for the Backroom.

Lemur 16:12 07-05-2005

Here's a site dedicated to this very question. Admittedly, they're pitching the polar bear instead of the grizzly, but it's still a nuanced, delicate investigation of this question.

Ja'chyra, are you suggesting that the Backroom has jumped the shark? Sorry, couldn't resist.

Taffy_is_a_Taff 16:30 07-05-2005

can we arm them?

Divinus Arma 17:18 07-05-2005

When did the backroom jump the shark? Oh. right now. Or maybe it was the whole Jesus vs. Aliens thing.

Steppe Merc 18:06 07-05-2005

I think a Bear would win. Sharks are nasty, but only have teeth, while bears have claws and teeth.

King of Atlantis 22:07 07-05-2005

The bear.

Samurai Waki 22:33 07-05-2005

How many of you have seen a Grizzly Bear swim? Okay, not many, but they can, however they aren't meant to on a regular basis. In water a Great White Shark would totally own a Grizzly Bear, and since Sharks can't walk, a Grizzly would probably kill a Great White. However, if the shark still had some fight in him after he was drug onto land, a Great White could still rip the leg off of a Grizzly Bear like a hot knife through butter. The Bullsharks we have down in the Caymans are nasty guys, some people have caught them and drug them onto their boats, and then they get a bugger up their arse and start thrashing around and sometimes killing or seriously wounder the fisherman.

I still voted Gah! because I really don't care.

Don Corleone 22:43 07-05-2005

I have to go with the grizzly bear. You can't discuss how a bear does in water or how a shark does on land, because the point was made at the beginning that this is some 'metaphysical' realm where both are fully mobile. I pick the bear because it has a much higher intelligence and can adjust it's strategy as the fight progresses. The shark would just keep swimming off, lining up for a beeline, build up some speed and swim right at the bear. The bear would probably begin by being a little cagey and trying to time the shark's attacks.

I read somewhere that the shoulders on a grizzly are so powerful that when it rears back and takes a full swing, it can uproot full grown trees. The shark would need to score multiple hits to kill the bear, but with it's cartaliginous (sp?) skeleton (no bones), the bear claw would pass right though it, rendering it assunder on the first solid connection.

The Blind King of Bohemia 23:27 07-05-2005

The site Lemurmania has linked is hilarious, the badger against the Sperm Whale being a favourite but the Hammerhead shark vs the Badger is really funny as well.

The Mugu vs Baboon is just stupid and hysterical

This line was great with the Grizzly Bear and Lion:

Originally Posted by :
Them Russians must be desperate, £3.50 and chips & gravy all round and we had the animals for an hour!

Sigurd 23:37 07-05-2005

Isn't there a show on discovery dedicated to these kinds of problems?

Big_John 23:41 07-05-2005

Originally Posted by Don Corleone:
I pick the bear because it has a much higher intelligence and can adjust it's strategy as the fight progresses.

thats' the problem! the bear would spend too much time trying to think about the situation, trying to figure out why this dumb shark is attacking him, trying to figure out where the hell he is, etc. the shark is a single-minded 20+ ft, 4000 lb killing machine.

great white win's by sudden decapitation!

The Wizard 00:41 07-06-2005

So, according to your theory Big John, the grizzly bear is nature's answer to Pindar?

~Wiz

Roark 01:32 07-06-2005

*waits patiently for the "Tori Amos vs Boba Fett" thread*

Gawain of Orkeny 01:35 07-06-2005

Originally Posted by :
Isn't there a show on discovery dedicated to these kinds of problems?

There sure is and the deadliest animla in the water is guess what? Il give uyou a hint it doesnt really swim and is a land animal. It beat even the shark on this show.

The Wizard 01:37 07-06-2005

Well your information excludes any kind of jellyfish...

~Wiz

Big_John 02:12 07-06-2005

the orangutan?

Roark 02:18 07-06-2005

@ Gawain

I'd say the hippo...

Evil_Maniac From Mars 02:57 07-06-2005

*Gah! *This "Gah!" is in reference to there not being a "Gah!" directed towards the poll.

Sigurd 08:33 07-06-2005

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny:
There sure is and the deadliest animla in the water is guess what? Il give uyou a hint it doesnt really swim and is a land animal. It beat even the shark on this show.

As far as I remember they put the Crocodile and the Hippo against a Shark (can't remember if it was a great white though), the Crocodile lost whilst the hippopotamus won. Then again I believe a Bear won against the Crocodile.

Yeah, I admit it... I watched the show.

Ronin 11:13 07-06-2005

Originally Posted by Sigurd Fafnesbane:
Isn't there a show on discovery dedicated to these kinds of problems?

yes....and just like this thread it it really dumb....

Kanamori 11:56 07-06-2005

I start a thread relating to what I feel is one of the most pressing issues of our time, and all I get is mocked. I am truly offended.

Have a heart guys.

Fragony 12:18 07-06-2005

You mean the polar bear, these things are badass. But the deadliest animal in the water is the killer whale, they even eat great whites.

Proletariat 12:33 07-06-2005

Bear on land, shark in water.

Oaty 08:32 07-07-2005

The Shark would win, because it can sleep and still be wary of it's surroundings. The shark when it feels threatened will swim away, but will return out of curiousity or hunger. The shark after depriving the bear of sleep and yet being rested itself could go in for the final kill on an unwary bear.

Xiahou 09:05 07-07-2005

Originally Posted by Proletariat:
Bear on land, shark in water.

Oh that's totally weak.

King of Atlantis 09:13 07-07-2005

Originally Posted by Proletariat:
Bear on land, shark in water.

But this thread is about if the were in a metaphysical realm where they are both equally mobile.

Phatose 11:58 07-07-2005

The shark wins, because planes are named after sharks, while the only thing named after Grizzlies are lumberjacks.

Gawain of Orkeny 16:51 07-07-2005

Originally Posted by :
As far as I remember they put the Crocodile and the Hippo against a Shark (can't remember if it was a great white though), the Crocodile lost whilst the hippopotamus won. Then again I believe a Bear won against the Crocodile.

I watched it also and the Hippo beat them both .

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