True - but that does not entitle another to carry a concealed weapon just because criminals do it.
I believe that legally permitted people are entitled to carry a concelaed weapon, because legally carrying a concealed weapon is not a criminal act, and that government should only attempt to prohibit criminal acts.

The fact that criminals also carry concelaed weapons doesn't entitle those who are authorized by the State to do the same, altho it does provide the motivation for many. I mentioned that criminals also carry concelaed weapons not to justify anyone else doing it, but to demonstrate that even if there were no persons legally carrying guns, that you would not be able to evaluate your circumstances when in public, because criminals might be secretly armed.

I'm glad we agree on the private property issue, but I respectfully disagree with you about open carry. I'm inclined ot think that your expereince with open carry isn't typical. In most places people would piss themselves over a 'man with a gun'

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