our serial looser

[PanzerJaeger]

Hes been in office way too long for his own good.. thats my foreign point of view.

I fear that any other points of view I have on the subject would be taken with offense even though you said they would not.

[Divinus Arma]

Chirac represents international jealousy of American power. We are not jerking around with this war on terror and Chirac stands against us just to stand against us. He even said so! Meanwhile the French have a flood of Muslims pouring in and guess what? They are going to be a huge problem for the French.


On a side note, the whole freedom fries was stupid in my opinion. But Chirac is still a female dog. Bash bash bash.

[ichi]

He should be offerred a position with the Securite



Chief Inspector Chirac

ichi

[sharrukin]

That's right! The SOB had the nerve to be right about Iraq, and actually wanted the Americans to go after terrorists instead of Saddam. Where does he get off with an attitude like that?

[Proletariat]

In fact, Chirac's attacks at the EU summit and the G8 seem to have driven the Anglosphere allies closer together still. If the prime minister and president play this right, they will be seen as forward-looking, advancing an agenda and acting with global vision. (The British have now joined the Americans in conceding that the Chinese, Indians, and Brazilians must be involved, although somewhat eccentrically they are claiming credit for bringing the parties together.)

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If I was French, this is why you'd hear me screaming, "Where is Lee Harvey De Oswald when you need him?!"

What an imbecile. Even I can tell there's a better way to subvert the so called 'anglosphere.'

William, who may I ask are the serious alternatives? I get the impression that there could be alot of French people who hate Chirac just because he's in power. Is there a light at the end of the tunnel who might make your outraged country feel proud to be led by?

[william the bastard]

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William, who may I ask are the serious alternatives? I get the impression that there could be alot of French people who hate Chirac just because he's in power. Is there a light at the end of the tunnel who might make your outraged country feel proud to be led by?

I don't know if there a light? The country fall in dispear and believe in anything. May be Sarkosy could represent a new breathe, a new generation, but is so hungry of power!
In France the main problem is our bad ruling habits of centralism. an alike feudal reflex. A place for everyone and don't move ,don't think.Just follow the leader.
Sometimes look like the indian caste when you seeking job , first question is : what is your diplom and not what are you able to do.

A typical old european country

[Meneldil]

There's indeed a really serious problem with the muslim immigrants in France, and it will cause huge troubles in the futur, but then, I've never heard of a country that doesn't have problem with muslim immigrants sadly.

Even muslim country have problem with muslim immigrants.

And yeah, Chirac is an ass, yet he got elected with 82%

[Papewaio]

Meanwhile the French have a flood of Muslims pouring in and guess what? They are going to be a huge problem for the French.

Is it the French having an inability to absorb a Muslim population or the Muslims themselves that are the problem?

Either statement given the context could be construed as rather racist.

[Proletariat]

Is it the French having an inability to absorb a Muslim population or the Muslims themselves that are the problem?

Are the two being racist mutually exclusive in your opinion? You mention two very ethnocentric peoples.

[Papewaio]

I do not see why the French would have any reason above other nations in absorbing immigrants.

The French are hardly homogenous. They are also a relatively vibrant democracy, albeit at times they do things that are very undemocratic (blowing up bombs in coral atolls and killing people who protest against that comes to mind).

Nor are Muslims a single ethnic group anymore say then Greek Orthodox and English Anglicans are a single Christian ethnic group.

[Papewaio]

The racist side is not the Muslims or the French it was DA's statement.

[Don Corleone]

Is it the French having an inability to absorb a Muslim population or the Muslims themselves that are the problem?

Either statement given the context could be construed as rather racist.

How is acknowledging having a large immigrant population problematic racist? You only say that cause you're Australian and you guys don't let anyone immigrate there, so you don't know the problems immigration causes. Then, you turn around and throw rocks at the countries that do, calling them racist. There's a lot of things France does that I don't like, but allowing any citizens of their former colonies automatic entry into the country is pretty damned respectable in my eyes. But let's not kid ourselves, it's not going to be all sunshine and roses. Oh shoot, now I'm a racist.

Back on topic: I don't know that Chirac is all that terrible for France. He's trying very hard to create an environment of 'us versus them' and for the most part, it's been working well for him. Turkey isn't going to be joining the EU any time soon, France controls most of the power positions within the EU government, even though they voted not to join, and he's got all the member states about 2 steps away from being dragged into a full-out boycott against the UK (and the 'anglosphere' as it's now being called). If his goal is to create a 3rd camp (USA being 1, China being 2) and make sure that France is leading the way in that 3rd camp, he's doing remarkably well. Being denied the Olympics plays to hand: "You see, my fellow Frenchmen, even the IOC is rigged against us. Bush and Blair have screwed us again." A couple more years of this and people at home will begging him to be more antagonistic to the USA and UK.

[PanzerJaeger]

There seems to be a constant racist witchhunt around here..

[IrishMike]

Its called the age of Political Correctness. Such a evil thing, nobody can really say their piece without recoil.

[Ser Clegane]

Its called the age of Political Correctness. Such a evil thing, nobody can really say their piece without recoil.

To some extent I agree - overdoing PC seems to give some people too much of a reason to whine about how their views (which are of course never racist but only "the truth" and/or "things that need to be addressed") are being suppressed

[Papewaio]

How is acknowledging having a large immigrant population problematic racist? You only say that cause you're Australian and you guys don't let anyone immigrate there, so you don't know the problems immigration causes. Then, you turn around and throw rocks at the countries that do, calling them racist. There's a lot of things France does that I don't like, but allowing any citizens of their former colonies automatic entry into the country is pretty damned respectable in my eyes. But let's not kid ourselves, it's not going to be all sunshine and roses. Oh shoot, now I'm a racist.

Mate you have just shown how little you know about Australia. We have one of the largest amounts of immigration per head of population in the world.

One out of four Australians was born overseas.

Every year we have over 100,000 immigrants
France size terms 300,000 Immigrants
USA size terms 1.5 million immigrants per annum.

[Don Corleone]

Okay, things must have seriously changed. I thought that if you were black, you weren't even allowed into Australia. And I've always been told that as an American, you could pretty much immigrate anyplace but Australia. That unless you were born in a part of the Commonwealth, you could never become an Australian citizen. But fair enough, I stand corrected. But, we have over 1 million legal immigrants a year, God knows how many illegal.

You never did explain how acknowledging that allowing that large a percentage of immigrants (different language, different customs, health issues) may cause problems is being racist. Would you care to elaborate?

[PanzerJaeger]

Its called the age of Political Correctness. Such a evil thing, nobody can really say their piece without recoil.

Nice.

[Papewaio]

Okay, things must have seriously changed. I thought that if you were black, you weren't even allowed into Australia. And I've always been told that as an American, you could pretty much immigrate anyplace but Australia. That unless you were born in a part of the Commonwealth, you could never become an Australian citizen. But fair enough, I stand corrected. But, we have over 1 million legal immigrants a year, God knows how many illegal.

You never did explain how acknowledging that allowing that large a percentage of immigrants (different language, different customs, health issues) may cause problems is being racist. Would you care to elaborate?

Australia has changed thankfully a lot since the 1960's as have quite a few countries.

My statement:

Either statement given the context could be construed as rather racist.

Particularly could be construed.

I was inquiring into DA's statement was it the immigration that was the problem or the French or the Muslims. The last two could be seen as a racist statement.

Without data to back me up and saying the following:
If I say that immigration is okay except for Muslims that is racist.
If I say that immigration is okay except for the French as they cannot handle it that would be racist.
If I say that immigration of all kinds can cause problems that would not be racist as I am not singling out a group.