our serial looser

[IrishMike]

Its called the age of Political Correctness. Such a evil thing, nobody can really say their piece without recoil.

[Ser Clegane]

Its called the age of Political Correctness. Such a evil thing, nobody can really say their piece without recoil.

To some extent I agree - overdoing PC seems to give some people too much of a reason to whine about how their views (which are of course never racist but only "the truth" and/or "things that need to be addressed") are being suppressed

[English assassin]

back to Chirac, I am sorry to say I see him entirely in a consistent traditions of French politicians back to C de G. (Perhaps I should say those French politicians who come to out attention accross the channel, mainly Mitterand and Delors. No doubt there are many others who are much better)

Namely that he is arrogant, self interested, utterly without principle save that whatever he/France wants is right, would dine with Satan himself if he felt it was in his or France's interests, and is wholly incapable of considering that any other nation may be his equal let alone superior in any respect. Finally, the sort of person who, should you be unfortunate to offer any assistance in any regard, will repay your help with undying hatred (OK, that may be C de G I am thinking of).

He must have redeeming features but I am at a loss to know what they are.

[Louis VI the Fat]

He must have redeeming features but I am at a loss to know what they are.

Yes, he does have redeeming features. And no, you're not at a loss as to what they are. In fact, you summed them up perfectly well:

Namely that he is arrogant, self interested, utterly without principle save that whatever France wants is right, would dine with Satan himself if he felt it was in France's interests, and is wholly incapable of considering that any other nation may be his equal let alone superior in any respect.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

French people, I apologise :

[Divinus Arma]

So it turns out my little comment was not so racist after all. Perhaps it was an informed and alert comment, eh?

The fact is, (and someone from France may correct me if I am wrong), the influx of poorly educated Muslims into France represents a threat to European security. Why? Many radical Imams in France preach hate and death. Poor and impoverished muslims are the target of these preaching and represent the base from where terrorists are drawn. Sure, there are educated terrorists too. But the terror troopers are the Muslim poor who have been taught to hate since childhood.

It wasn't the IRA who attacked Britain. Muslims.

We must recognize the truth: Not all Muslims are jihadist terrorists, but all jihadist terrorists are Muslim.

Racist? HELL NO. I would not dare judge a man by the color of his skin. I have had many friends that were black, mexican, white, whatever. It means nothing to me.

And let me tell you, there are too many people who just pull that card every time it gets them something they want. Outrageous.

I just call a spade a spade. The danger in not doing so is death.

[william the bastard]

[QUOTE=Divinus Arma]
The fact is, (and someone from France may correct me if I am wrong), the influx of poorly educated Muslims into France represents a threat to European security. Why? Many radical Imams in France preach hate and death. Poor and impoverished muslims are the target of these preaching and represent the base from where terrorists are drawn. Sure, there are educated terrorists too. But the terror troopers are the Muslim poor who have been taught to hate since childhood.

Regarding poorly educated and hopeless future, I agree your diagnosis. But open your eyes, that not concerned only France, you have huges muslims communities in Germany (mainly from Turkey) same in Belgium, and no need to talk about "Londonistan". This is a global prob. If you thought enemy was only at the gates, he still might have a foothold.

[Goofball]

We must recognize the truth: Not all Muslims are jihadist terrorists, but all jihadist terrorists are Muslim.

That statement is not nearly as black and white (no matter how boldly you type it) nor is it nearly as truthful as you believe it to be.

In fact, just about all moderate Muslims insist that the terrorists who claim to be committing murder in the name of Islam are not really Muslims at all, because their actions are contrary to the true teachings of Islam.

Think of it in these terms. If I made the following statement:

"We must all recognize the truth: Not all Christians bomb abortion clinics and murder doctors, but all of those who do bomb abortion clinics and murder doctors are Christians."

you could (quite rightly) make the same argument: that anybody committing murder in the name of Christianity is not really a Christian.

[Papewaio]

So it turns out my little comment was not so racist after all. Perhaps it was an informed and alert comment, eh?

The fact is, (and someone from France may correct me if I am wrong), the influx of poorly educated Muslims into France represents a threat to European security. Why? Many radical Imams in France preach hate and death. Poor and impoverished muslims are the target of these preaching and represent the base from where terrorists are drawn. Sure, there are educated terrorists too. But the terror troopers are the Muslim poor who have been taught to hate since childhood.

It wasn't the IRA who attacked Britain. Muslims.

We must recognize the truth: Not all Muslims are jihadist terrorists, but all jihadist terrorists are Muslim.

Racist? HELL NO. I would not dare judge a man by the color of his skin. I have had many friends that were black, mexican, white, whatever. It means nothing to me.

And let me tell you, there are too many people who just pull that card every time it gets them something they want. Outrageous.

I just call a spade a spade. The danger in not doing so is death.

If you want to call a spade a spade then do so. It is not Muslims as a group, it is a sub-group of ones preaching hatred. They use the same tactics as the Nazis did in recruiting brown shirts, or the way neo-Nazis recruit unemployed depressed young and impressionable guys.

So stop brushing with such a broad brush unless you want to say Catholics are a world problem due to the IRA...

I would say the biggest threat to the world is lack of education being replaced by fundamentalist education. The Taliban had an oppourtunity in Afghanistan because of the lack of infrastructure and they provided fundamenalist eductation. Same with Hamas in Palestine, it would have been a lot harder for them to establish a foothold if there was a flourishing secular education system in place.

Australia has had Muslims here before Federation. One of the major train routes is called The Ghan after the Afghanistan immigrants whose camels helped supply Outback communities. Nowadays there is so many wild camels in the Outback we export them to the Middle East.

[Kagemusha]

Last week on conference Chirac sayed clote:British are not trusty ass allies because they have such an loysy cuisine.Only Finnish food is more disgusting.
After that Finnish government asked the French ambassador about his statement.The answer was that he newer sayd that.Next day he corrected his saying by saying that the Scottish Haggish is even more disgusting.
Chirac brings up every bad stereothypic on French.

[TonyJ]

back to Chirac, I am sorry to say I see him entirely in a consistent traditions of French politicians back to C de G. (Perhaps I should say those French politicians who come to out attention accross the channel, mainly Mitterand and Delors. No doubt there are many others who are much better)

Namely that he is arrogant, self interested, utterly without principle save that whatever he/France wants is right, would dine with Satan himself if he felt it was in his or France's interests, and is wholly incapable of considering that any other nation may be his equal let alone superior in any respect. Finally, the sort of person who, should you be unfortunate to offer any assistance in any regard, will repay your help with undying hatred (OK, that may be C de G I am thinking of).

He must have redeeming features but I am at a loss to know what they are.

Strategically change some names, put Britain instead of France and you almost have a perfect description of good ol' Tony Blair and the sham of a political party he leads.

I do believe that someone, somewhere once said 'let he who is without sin cast the first stone'

[Divinus Arma]

Perhaps my statements appear too broad. I'll not venture off-topic after this, but I will make a quick comment on the issue of Muslim extremism.

You are absolutely correct about jihadists not being true muslims. When I served in Afghanistan, I had regular contact with a few locals. I asked one what his opinion of the relationship between the Taliban and Islam. He told me that the Taliban were only thugs, operating under the banner of Islam. This same man had once been thrown in jail for seven days because his beard was too short.

I have no problem with Muslims. In fact, I despise religious extremism or actions in the name of religion regardless of what religion is involved. Christians have committed just as many, if not more, atrocities in the name of religion.

And Red Harvest, I must disagree with your assesment of the illegal alien issue. Yes they work hard. But our communities cannot absorb them. There are plenty of arguments that they "pay taxes" and "do the jobs that Americans won't". My friend works with an Illegal at a barbershop. The illegal makes $4-5k per month and pays no taxes. The illegal also makes claims for welfare for her children who she spat out on American soil, citizens who are consequently entitled to assistance since she claims the family lives below the poverty line. And I do not consider construction, retail, maid services, gardening, etc to be jobs that Americans won't take. Construction related jobs were one of the last trade school education jobs Americans had available. My wife was a maid. I used to mow lawns as a teenager. And so on.

American citizens can and would do the jobs. Even agriculture. Yes we would pay more for strawberries and lettuce, but we would be saving money in education, health care, road maintance, and crime.

I will not write any more off topic. We should create a new thread if we want to discuss immigration. But you know that becasue you are one of the high and mighty senior members. I bow to you your majesty.

[Red Harvest]

DA,

One thing that I see here where there are many more recent immigrants than slightly farther north, is the difference in who is working the lower end jobs, and what they will do them for. In one blue collar town I lived in recently the typical anglo wouldn't do a one hour mowing job for less than $50. I literally laughed in their faces when I got quotes. The immigrants around here would do it for $20. When I was a kid I would have done it for less than $10 (and that is accounting for inflation--I mowed huge lawns for $5.)