our serial looser

[william the bastard]

Hi all,

I really appreciate your advice about our famous French president. Anyone to grant asylum
Let your horses ride, no offenses will be taken. just need some foreign points of view

[PanzerJaeger]

Hes been in office way too long for his own good.. thats my foreign point of view.

I fear that any other points of view I have on the subject would be taken with offense even though you said they would not.

[Divinus Arma]

Chirac represents international jealousy of American power. We are not jerking around with this war on terror and Chirac stands against us just to stand against us. He even said so! Meanwhile the French have a flood of Muslims pouring in and guess what? They are going to be a huge problem for the French.


On a side note, the whole freedom fries was stupid in my opinion. But Chirac is still a female dog. Bash bash bash.

[ichi]

He should be offerred a position with the Securite



Chief Inspector Chirac

ichi

[sharrukin]

That's right! The SOB had the nerve to be right about Iraq, and actually wanted the Americans to go after terrorists instead of Saddam. Where does he get off with an attitude like that?

[Proletariat]

In fact, Chirac's attacks at the EU summit and the G8 seem to have driven the Anglosphere allies closer together still. If the prime minister and president play this right, they will be seen as forward-looking, advancing an agenda and acting with global vision. (The British have now joined the Americans in conceding that the Chinese, Indians, and Brazilians must be involved, although somewhat eccentrically they are claiming credit for bringing the parties together.)

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If I was French, this is why you'd hear me screaming, "Where is Lee Harvey De Oswald when you need him?!"

What an imbecile. Even I can tell there's a better way to subvert the so called 'anglosphere.'

William, who may I ask are the serious alternatives? I get the impression that there could be alot of French people who hate Chirac just because he's in power. Is there a light at the end of the tunnel who might make your outraged country feel proud to be led by?

[Papewaio]

Meanwhile the French have a flood of Muslims pouring in and guess what? They are going to be a huge problem for the French.

Is it the French having an inability to absorb a Muslim population or the Muslims themselves that are the problem?

Either statement given the context could be construed as rather racist.

[Proletariat]

Is it the French having an inability to absorb a Muslim population or the Muslims themselves that are the problem?

Are the two being racist mutually exclusive in your opinion? You mention two very ethnocentric peoples.

[Papewaio]

I do not see why the French would have any reason above other nations in absorbing immigrants.

The French are hardly homogenous. They are also a relatively vibrant democracy, albeit at times they do things that are very undemocratic (blowing up bombs in coral atolls and killing people who protest against that comes to mind).

Nor are Muslims a single ethnic group anymore say then Greek Orthodox and English Anglicans are a single Christian ethnic group.

[Papewaio]

The racist side is not the Muslims or the French it was DA's statement.

[Don Corleone]

Is it the French having an inability to absorb a Muslim population or the Muslims themselves that are the problem?

Either statement given the context could be construed as rather racist.

How is acknowledging having a large immigrant population problematic racist? You only say that cause you're Australian and you guys don't let anyone immigrate there, so you don't know the problems immigration causes. Then, you turn around and throw rocks at the countries that do, calling them racist. There's a lot of things France does that I don't like, but allowing any citizens of their former colonies automatic entry into the country is pretty damned respectable in my eyes. But let's not kid ourselves, it's not going to be all sunshine and roses. Oh shoot, now I'm a racist.

Back on topic: I don't know that Chirac is all that terrible for France. He's trying very hard to create an environment of 'us versus them' and for the most part, it's been working well for him. Turkey isn't going to be joining the EU any time soon, France controls most of the power positions within the EU government, even though they voted not to join, and he's got all the member states about 2 steps away from being dragged into a full-out boycott against the UK (and the 'anglosphere' as it's now being called). If his goal is to create a 3rd camp (USA being 1, China being 2) and make sure that France is leading the way in that 3rd camp, he's doing remarkably well. Being denied the Olympics plays to hand: "You see, my fellow Frenchmen, even the IOC is rigged against us. Bush and Blair have screwed us again." A couple more years of this and people at home will begging him to be more antagonistic to the USA and UK.

[PanzerJaeger]

There seems to be a constant racist witchhunt around here..

[IrishMike]

Its called the age of Political Correctness. Such a evil thing, nobody can really say their piece without recoil.

[Papewaio]

How is acknowledging having a large immigrant population problematic racist? You only say that cause you're Australian and you guys don't let anyone immigrate there, so you don't know the problems immigration causes. Then, you turn around and throw rocks at the countries that do, calling them racist. There's a lot of things France does that I don't like, but allowing any citizens of their former colonies automatic entry into the country is pretty damned respectable in my eyes. But let's not kid ourselves, it's not going to be all sunshine and roses. Oh shoot, now I'm a racist.

Mate you have just shown how little you know about Australia. We have one of the largest amounts of immigration per head of population in the world.

One out of four Australians was born overseas.

Every year we have over 100,000 immigrants
France size terms 300,000 Immigrants
USA size terms 1.5 million immigrants per annum.

[Don Corleone]

Okay, things must have seriously changed. I thought that if you were black, you weren't even allowed into Australia. And I've always been told that as an American, you could pretty much immigrate anyplace but Australia. That unless you were born in a part of the Commonwealth, you could never become an Australian citizen. But fair enough, I stand corrected. But, we have over 1 million legal immigrants a year, God knows how many illegal.

You never did explain how acknowledging that allowing that large a percentage of immigrants (different language, different customs, health issues) may cause problems is being racist. Would you care to elaborate?

[PanzerJaeger]

Its called the age of Political Correctness. Such a evil thing, nobody can really say their piece without recoil.

Nice.

[Papewaio]

Okay, things must have seriously changed. I thought that if you were black, you weren't even allowed into Australia. And I've always been told that as an American, you could pretty much immigrate anyplace but Australia. That unless you were born in a part of the Commonwealth, you could never become an Australian citizen. But fair enough, I stand corrected. But, we have over 1 million legal immigrants a year, God knows how many illegal.

You never did explain how acknowledging that allowing that large a percentage of immigrants (different language, different customs, health issues) may cause problems is being racist. Would you care to elaborate?

Australia has changed thankfully a lot since the 1960's as have quite a few countries.

My statement:

Either statement given the context could be construed as rather racist.

Particularly could be construed.

I was inquiring into DA's statement was it the immigration that was the problem or the French or the Muslims. The last two could be seen as a racist statement.

Without data to back me up and saying the following:
If I say that immigration is okay except for Muslims that is racist.
If I say that immigration is okay except for the French as they cannot handle it that would be racist.
If I say that immigration of all kinds can cause problems that would not be racist as I am not singling out a group.

[Ser Clegane]

Its called the age of Political Correctness. Such a evil thing, nobody can really say their piece without recoil.

To some extent I agree - overdoing PC seems to give some people too much of a reason to whine about how their views (which are of course never racist but only "the truth" and/or "things that need to be addressed") are being suppressed

[English assassin]

back to Chirac, I am sorry to say I see him entirely in a consistent traditions of French politicians back to C de G. (Perhaps I should say those French politicians who come to out attention accross the channel, mainly Mitterand and Delors. No doubt there are many others who are much better)

Namely that he is arrogant, self interested, utterly without principle save that whatever he/France wants is right, would dine with Satan himself if he felt it was in his or France's interests, and is wholly incapable of considering that any other nation may be his equal let alone superior in any respect. Finally, the sort of person who, should you be unfortunate to offer any assistance in any regard, will repay your help with undying hatred (OK, that may be C de G I am thinking of).

He must have redeeming features but I am at a loss to know what they are.

[william the bastard]

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William, who may I ask are the serious alternatives? I get the impression that there could be alot of French people who hate Chirac just because he's in power. Is there a light at the end of the tunnel who might make your outraged country feel proud to be led by?

I don't know if there a light? The country fall in dispear and believe in anything. May be Sarkosy could represent a new breathe, a new generation, but is so hungry of power!
In France the main problem is our bad ruling habits of centralism. an alike feudal reflex. A place for everyone and don't move ,don't think.Just follow the leader.
Sometimes look like the indian caste when you seeking job , first question is : what is your diplom and not what are you able to do.

A typical old european country

[Meneldil]

There's indeed a really serious problem with the muslim immigrants in France, and it will cause huge troubles in the futur, but then, I've never heard of a country that doesn't have problem with muslim immigrants sadly.

Even muslim country have problem with muslim immigrants.

And yeah, Chirac is an ass, yet he got elected with 82%

[PanzerJaeger]

^And who will be the first to call him a racist for stating the truth?

[Louis VI the Fat]

There's indeed a really serious problem with the muslim immigrants in France, and it will cause huge troubles in the future

Why, Meneldil is right. Of course there's a problem with muslim immigrants in France. There's nothing inherently racist about stating this obvious truth.

But we need to bear in mind that many non-muslim immigrants are also a source of concern, and that many muslims do very well and are a great contribution to France.

I don't have an issue with muslims that are willing to accept and adopt French values. Nor should anybody else. But, unfortunately, there does seem to be an explosive mixture of poor social-economic prospects, a conflicting value-system and outright hostility towards a western way of life in some muslim circles. There's a jihad brewing in our banlieu's.

And yeah, Chirac is an ass, yet he got elected with 82%

Well, the choice was between a crook and a fascist, remember?

Oh, the tragedy of it all. We're stuck with this 'approval rate 20%' arse for years because the socialists didn't have the same discipline to get out and vote for their main candidate that those bloody narrow-minded southern fascist peasants had.

[BDC]

French people hate Chirac because he's a liar and an idiot, and he only got voted in because they did the typical French thing and ended up choosing between him and a facist.

[william the bastard]

There's indeed a really serious problem with the muslim immigrants in France, and it will cause huge troubles in the futur, but then, I've never heard of a country that doesn't have problem with muslim immigrants sadly.



And yeah, Chirac is an ass, yet he got elected with 82%

IMO, problem is less immigrant than ghettos. they are parked in "banlieues" without work without authorities, well they are in a bantoustan. France have create a subcitizen. And it is true that will cause huge probs in the future 'cause France is unable to give theim hope no more than the rest of population.
Sorry, but I think we need to change, or just waiting collapse.
just my advice

[william the bastard]

[But we need to bear in mind that many non-muslim immigrants are also a source of concern, and that many muslims do very well and are a great contribution to France.

True, my family came from Italy and Friends from Poland and other from Morroco and Algeria despite uor common bloody history

[william the bastard]

[QUOTE=Meneldil]There's indeed a really serious problem with the muslim immigrants in France, and it will cause huge troubles in the futur, but then, I've never heard of a country that doesn't have problem with muslim immigrants sadly.

[QUOTE]
too much easy to say Today

[King Henry V]

Good God, yesterday when he was standing behind TB at the G8 summit, he looked like an undertaker! He really has to go.

[Louis VI the Fat]

He must have redeeming features but I am at a loss to know what they are.

Yes, he does have redeeming features. And no, you're not at a loss as to what they are. In fact, you summed them up perfectly well:

Namely that he is arrogant, self interested, utterly without principle save that whatever France wants is right, would dine with Satan himself if he felt it was in France's interests, and is wholly incapable of considering that any other nation may be his equal let alone superior in any respect.

[Taffy_is_a_Taff]

French people, I apologise :