Al Qaeda

**econ21** · 07-07-2005, 15:17

Originally Posted by Proletariat

Who the hell are these people fighting for if even Arabic blood isn't sacred?

How many Iraqis (Arabs) have been killed by Al Qaeda and related insurgents? Far more than the number of non-Arabs killed, I suspect. The "war on terror" is not really about New York, Madrid or London. Al Qaeda's goals are primarily confined to the Islamic world: they want to establish extreme Islamic governments in Algeria, Egypt, Saudi Arabia etc. The West is just being targeted because it supports the existing regimes in those countries. If that support collapses, there's a chance of Iran 1979 type takeovers. The fact that Al Qaeda and fundamentalist Shiite Iran are opposed to each other only underlines the internecine nature of AQs agenda.

**lars573** · 07-07-2005, 15:38

Actually there goal is to restore the Caliphate of early Islam. Plus all the areas that are Islamic now.

This is the the caliphate. Add to that the caucasian region of Russia, Pakistan, Sicily, the Balkan states and Turkey, and the centeral Asian stan nations.

**Don Corleone** · 07-07-2005, 15:59

You don't really believe they'll stop there, do you?

They want the world under Sharia, with them as the mullahs hearing each case. Nothing less will satisfy them.

**JAG** · 07-07-2005, 16:06

Originally Posted by Don Corleone

You don't really believe they'll stop there, do you?

They want the world under Sharia, with them as the mullahs hearing each case. Nothing less will satisfy them.

Where have they stated they want to take over the world? I never have heard that, quite the opposite. They have stated that if states act like Sweden and don't interfere in the Middle East, then they will not interfere with the west. That clearly isn't acceptable but still it is wrong to state 'they want to take over the world'.

**Franconicus** · 07-07-2005, 16:16

This discussion is foolish. Do they want to restore the Kalifat or conquer the whole world? Every scenario is bad. An we should stop them here and now.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 07-07-2005, 16:21

Where have they stated they want to take over the world? I never have heard that, quite the opposite

Then you dont read whats posted on these boards. Ive been telling you this since I got here. Would you like me to post Bin Ladens letter to America again? His first demand is that we all convert to Islam.

**Don Corleone** · 07-07-2005, 17:28

Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny

Then you dont read whats posted on these boards. Ive been telling you this since I got here. Would you like me to post Bin Ladens letter to America again? His first demand is that we all convert to Islam.

Actually, yes I would like you to post it again. Might remind people who we're dealing with.

**Proletariat** · 07-07-2005, 17:19

Originally Posted by Simon Appleton

How many Iraqis (Arabs) have been killed by Al Qaeda and related insurgents?

I'm aware, I was asking out of exasperation.

**Steppe Merc** · 07-07-2005, 17:22

Are most Iraqis and Iranis Arabic? I know it's nitpicking, but I had always assumed that while some had Arabic blood, there was still a lot of Iranian and Turkish blood...
Just wondering, doesn't really have anything to do with the topic.

**CBR** · 07-07-2005, 17:26

CIA world factbook:

Iran:Persian 51%, Azeri 24%, Gilaki and Mazandarani 8%, Kurd 7%, Arab 3%, Lur 2%, Baloch 2%, Turkmen 2%, other 1%

Iraq:Arab 75%-80%, Kurdish 15%-20%, Turkoman, Assyrian or other 5%

CBR

**Steppe Merc** · 07-07-2005, 17:29

Ok, thanks. Hmm, I had assumed Iraq would have more Iranian (Persian is one way to call it I suppose, though Persians were just a group of the Iranian stock) blood.
But thanks for clearing that up.

**Gawain of Orkeny** · 07-07-2005, 17:49

Actually, yes I would like you to post it again. Might remind people who we're dealing with.

Your wish is my command

(Q2) (Q2) As for the second question that we want to answer: What are we calling you to, and what do we want from you?

(1) The first thing that we are calling you to is Islam.

(a) The religion of the Unification of God; of freedom from associating partners with Him, and rejection of this; of complete love of Him, the Exalted; of complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion He sent down to His Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Islam is the religion of all the prophets, and makes no distinction between them - peace be upon them all.

It is to this religion that we call you; the seal of all the previous religions. It is the religion of Unification of God, sincerity, the best of manners, righteousness, mercy, honour, purity, and piety. It is the religion of showing kindness to others, establishing justice between them, granting them their rights, and defending the oppressed and the persecuted. It is the religion of enjoining the good and forbidding the evil with the hand, tongue and heart. It is the religion of Jihad in the way of Allah so that Allah's Word and religion reign Supreme. And it is the religion of unity and agreement on the obedience to Allah, and total equality between all people, without regarding their colour, sex, or language.

(b) It is the religion whose book - the Quran - will remained preserved and unchanged, after the other Divine books and messages have been changed. The Quran is the miracle until the Day of Judgment. Allah has challenged anyone to bring a book like the Quran or even ten verses like it.

Pretty much says it all

complete submission to His Laws; and of the discarding of all the opinions, orders, theories and religions which contradict with the religion

You cant even have a contrary opinion. You must submit totaly to his brand of Islam. Who are they killing in Iraq, other Muslims because their not radical enough.

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