adopt a god

[cruix]

well after being inspired by the works of other modders, I took some effort in trying to understand the game files. Afer sifting through export_descr_buildings.txt, it is quite clear that Epona is the only one that can be adopted outright as many have mentioned. But this does leave the room open for some adoption modding, since it's simply inserting additional factions into the build's prereqs. So, here's another issue that may be interesting to people and historical scholars - which exsisting temples should modded so the romans can adopt them? It'd be nice to have historical evidence/justification rather than just becasue one thinks it'd be nice to adopt that god.

[Horatius]

well after being inspired by the works of other modders, I took some effort in trying to understand the game files. Afer sifting through export_descr_buildings.txt, it is quite clear that Epona is the only one that can be adopted outright as many have mentioned. But this does leave the room open for some adoption modding, since it's simply inserting additional factions into the build's prereqs. So, here's another issue that may be interesting to people and historical scholars - which exsisting temples should modded so the romans can adopt them? It'd be nice to have historical evidence/justification rather than just becasue one thinks it'd be nice to adopt that god.

The only Gods that wouldn't make sense are the Britons because the druids were leaders of their communities and armies as well as heads of religion, and so the Romans treated them as such and killed them, the result being the total destruction of that religion. Everyone else would historically make sense adopting.

Roman Soldiers would sacrifice and prey to whatever god/religion whose territory they were in. The reason was not multiculturalism it was the Romans believed that those Gods existed along with their Gods and didn't want to get devine punishment from a local deity for not sacrificing to him/her before a battle as thanks for being the lands gaurdian. So unless you are playing as the Senate and People of Rome adopting Gods makes sense because armies on the march paid their respects to foriegn gods on a regular basis.

The Romans adopted these Gods.

Ississ had very large numbers of well of Romans as well as Plebians who worshipped the her, among other Egyptian Gods.

Horus to was popular among all classess of Romans.

Zorastor was popular among lower classess, and many descriptions of "Horrible pagan traitors" Constantine brought to justice (by converting to christianity by the sword or executing) appear to be describing Zorastrians (For example worshipping the flame as sacred and other elements christians credit them with).

The Romans literally adopted the Greek Gods, for example Jupiter is just Zues with a different name, the only God that wasn't the same as Roman was Ares, and even he had many temples built for him throughout Italy. Greeks living in Rome got many Satirists attacking them, whose anti-greek complaints about their using the greek alphabets on buildings they made can be read today.

Imenhotep was usually worshipped as a second extra god by Romans who addedd issis and Osiris to their list of gods to worship.

The most important foriegn god who was adopted was Mithras, he was more popular then the real chief god Jupiter, but hes not in the game.

Hercules was actually the Roman name for the Greek Heracles who were identical in the mythology so Romans should be able to adopt him.

Despite the way Cato the Elder ended everything with "Carthogo Delende Est" Baal was worshipped by many Romans, they hated the Carthaginians for not being Romans, not for religion aparently. Most Temples of Baal were detroyed during the reign of Constantine though.

I could go through each one, but as I said before the only Gods that wouldn't fit into historical reality are the British Gods, slaves who were captured in war would bring their religion with them to Rome, and it would spread among the Urban Poor, who felt nothing wrong with getting favor from as many Gods as possible, which makes any non British deity make sense.

Hope that helped you.

[HarunTaiwan]

It's such a pain to wait for the Gauls to build a Sacred Circle of Epona.

I once had to conquer their next to last town, and build everything up and then leave the temple of Epona. As well as importing the necessary population. Then I could give it back to them so the ONLY choice was to build it to Sacred Circle. Then re-conquer.

Ugh.

[Philippus Flavius Homovallumus]

Horatius, the Romans only killed off the British Priesthood, not the religion. In general the Romans identified local gods with their own. So the "barbarians" worshipped the same gods, but with added Roman names.

[Horatius]

Horatius, the Romans only killed off the British Priesthood, not the religion. In general the Romans identified local gods with their own. So the "barbarians" worshipped the same gods, but with added Roman names.

The thing that made the Briton Gods distinct was the Druids, killing the Druids destroyed much of the faith, for example Stone Henge an important part of that religion will forever be a mystery, although the Britons along with the Roman Garrisons there did worship the British Gods.

Compared to what Christians did, or what Muslims did to other religions the treatment of the Britons was fair, but in comparison to what Romans of the time did elsewere it wasn't, and the game is all about capturing the time isn't it?

[player1]

Interesting thing to try would be giving to all greek and roman factions ability to build 2nd and later levels of all greek or roman temples.

That way, specific factions will still have affinity of builing 3 or 4 specific temples, but will be able to upgrade other temples of same pantheon.

[Horatius]

Could you tell me how to do that?

[M.T.Cicero]

Playing as Scipii I've noticed some other nation's temples can simply be upgraded to next level and re-named to Roman gods in process, but I've never done this. How exactly do you adopt this temple?

[magnum]

When you can upgrade a foreign temple to a temple with one of your gods, its not quite the same as the 'adopting a god' that occurs with the Temple of Epona.

In the export_desc_buildings.txt file all the temples are listed. Each temple is classified as a temple of fun, leadership, governing, battle, battleforge, fertility (to name just a few.) If the captured temple is of the same type as one you can build, then you upgrade the temple and it simply changes to the name of your factions equivalent temple.

The temple of Epona (Temple of Horse) has no Roman equivalent, but if one is captured by a Roman faction they can then upgrade it all the way to Pantheon status. Thus, its been 'adopted' by the Romans.

[M.T.Cicero]

I understand that, but what I want to know is are there any special circumstances in which this can done and of which I should be aware of. Someone mensioned waiting for Gauls to upgrade their temple. And am I allowed to plunder and exterminate as I conquer the town or will this disable the adoptation (something like this was also mensioned previously). Finally, apart from Spain and Gauls, is there any other faction that can build temples of Epona?


Thanks.

[Kourutsu]

Just Epona.

[cruix]

It's such a pain to wait for the Gauls to build a Sacred Circle of Epona.

I once had to conquer their next to last town, and build everything up and then leave the temple of Epona. As well as importing the necessary population. Then I could give it back to them so the ONLY choice was to build it to Sacred Circle. Then re-conquer.

Ugh.

that's why you get them from the Spainish and not that gauls. assuming you don't go on a blitzkerg along the coast or do a backyard drop into ibera, by the time you get to ibera there's usually at least one epona level 3 temple.