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[eadingas]

Germanic names are Germanic, so they are IE (although I've read theories that say otherwise). The only fenno-ugric names on the map are Sapmi and Asodat.
Try to divide the words into phrases, it should be easier this way, Swebotraustastamnoz ("Swebian Trust(alliance)", IIRC) is no more (or less) difficult than your typical modern german panzerkampfwagen or schnellfeuerwaffe :)

[SaFe]

Germanic names are Germanic, so they are IE (although I've read theories that say otherwise). The only fenno-ugric names on the map are Sapmi and Asodat.
Try to divide the words into phrases, it should be easier this way, Swebotraustastamnoz ("Swebian Trust(alliance)", IIRC) is no more (or less) difficult than your typical modern german panzerkampfwagen or schnellfeuerwaffe :)

quite close eadingas
Swebotraustastamnoz means "Alliance of suebian tribes" literally.
@Azi Tohak
b.t.w. germanics never lived in cities till the romans build some, so there is no sense to give them romanized names, if they didn't exist in this timeframe.
Treverum or others are all former roman forts.

[Azi Tohak]

Ah ha! Well..okay. I can buy that. But wow, I am surprised you guys have the resources to name each 'city' (even if it is not quite a roman idea of a city) with what are probably accurate names for the peoples living there.

Where on earth do you get that information from? That atlas? But where did that data come from?

Azi

[TheTank]

Safe and eadingas are you familiar with the theory that some germanic tribes in the western part of Germany (Cheruski,Chatti etc..) are not of Germanic origin but another IE group or maybe even a Old european people.
Wikipedia link Nordwestblock
I am interested EB stance about this theory is and if and how it will be refected in EB.

[eadingas]

As I said, I've read about it, but what I've read doesn't have enough backup to include into EB in any form. There are some interesting linguistic differences, but I'm not sure if there's anything more to it... but of course I'm not a specialist in Germanic history. Maybe Safe knows more about it.

[Greek_fire19]

Theres a camel in one of your lakes.

The one south of the aral sea and east of the caspian sea.

Fix it at once.

[Malrubius]

That's actually a heretofore unknown amphibious transportation craft, recently discovered by one of our members on an aquatic dig. She'll be publishing her findings after the mod is released next year. I'd tell you what it's called, but I can't even spell it, because no one knows how except her. All I know is that it could store a lot of potable water in case of being lost at sea or becalmed, or if it was blockading a port.

[BaRtMaN_SLO]

Hello, very happy to finally see the worldmap.

I have just one comment about the placement of one town/city in Pannonia. Emona (today known as Ljubljana, capital of Slovenia) is placed where today Zagreb (the capital of Croatia) stands. I don't know if the displacement is only in the artistic map or in the game itself, but if it's like this in the game, please fix it.

Emona should stand directly north of Segestica, perhaps even a bit to Segestica's northwest!

Great effort on this mod, it shall not go unplayed, I can assure you!

[eadingas]

Thanks for noticing. I believe it's also on the wrong side of the river (Sava), now that I look at the map of Slovenia, isn't it? Will correct ASAP.
I think Segestica needs moving too, it's nowhere near todays Sisak... I haven't checked that part of the map for a while, there's a couple of errors there that slipped past me. Well, that's what the Beta version is for :)
Is Sisak on left or right side of Sava?

[BaRtMaN_SLO]

Both cities are actually very close to the river Sava. Ljubljana has already grown and reached Sava with it's northern edge, while Emona lay a few kilometers south of Sava, since it wasn't as big as Ljubljana today. Sisak also lies by Sava. Here are two very informative maps:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/croatia_pol01.jpg
http://www.europe-atlas.com/croatia-map.htm

BTW, free maps here: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/
Google is the king! Long live the king!

More about Emona here: http://www.ljubljana.si/en/ljubljana...a/default.html
In latin the name is actually Iulia Aemona.

[alx1078]

One comment though... I see that you've removed Thessaloniki from the map... i realize that it would be too cramped in Makedonia to include both Pella and Thessaloniki (like in RTR and they ended up putting Thessaloniki in a wrong place), but at the time you're placing it, wasn't Thessaloniki already starting to get the reigns from Pella as the dominant city in Makedonia?

[eadingas]

Both cities are actually very close to the river Sava. Ljubljana has already grown and reached Sava with it's northern edge, while Emona lay a few kilometers south of Sava, since it wasn't as big as Ljubljana today. Sisak also lies by Sava. Here are two very informative maps:
http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/croatia_pol01.jpg
http://www.europe-atlas.com/croatia-map.htm

BTW, free maps here: http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/europe/
Google is the king! Long live the king!

More about Emona here: http://www.ljubljana.si/en/ljubljana...a/default.html
In latin the name is actually Iulia Aemona.

Thanks. I've moved Segestica to a more accurate location, by the river (have to remember to put it on Kopa river when we start making custom locations, some time in the future :) (like, next year ;) I think we'll be dropping Emona altogether, in favour of something older and more Pannonian, like Vindobona or Arrabona, we'll see.

[cunctator]

thanks to Teleklos Archelaou Google earth data i realised that Gawjam Hattoz it`s far more north than i suspected. Near modern Kassel.

[Teleklos Archelaou]

One comment though... I see that you've removed Thessaloniki from the map... i realize that it would be too cramped in Makedonia to include both Pella and Thessaloniki (like in RTR and they ended up putting Thessaloniki in a wrong place), but at the time you're placing it, wasn't Thessaloniki already starting to get the reigns from Pella as the dominant city in Makedonia?

Pella had been the capital of Makedonia until the 140's B.C. It looks like the first important use at all for Thessalonika was in 274 when Antigonos Gonatos came back there for some period of time after having no success in southern Greece, *but* Pella was most favored and flourished most under Antigonos Gonatas, who invested much time and energy into its refurbishing and adding to its importance, at that same time. Thessalonika was founded in 316 B.C., when a number of small towns nearby were brought together into a larger city. There is no doubt that Salonika was much more important later, but as the capital of Makedonia in 272 B.C. it would be ridiculous. The Dictionary of Greek and Roman Geography says that Pella "remained the capital, and was a splendid town" from the time of Antigonos Gonatos till that of Perseus (ca. 189 B.C.). Antigonos makes such a big deal out of bedecking it as a royal capital, bringing in all kinds of scholars too, that it is hard to pass over it. These were Pella's "glory days", when it was clearly the capital and undergoing lots of construction, and we know very little about Thessalonika at the time, except that there was a fortress and a city there. There is very little else going in there in the early third century and not an enormous amount of activity even later in the third century. They further say that: Thessalonika would become important at a later date, but in the third century they were not a major urban center. The major four cities of Macedonia were Pella, Philippi, Kassandreia, and Amphipolis. If there was a true "capital" for Antigonas it was Demetrias (in Thessaly), although Pella was very important.

[pezhetairoi]

I've brought this up so many times, but I haven't seen any reply to it yet... will the EB team be adding in pronunciation guides to the native names in the map? Some of us would evidently like to take perverse pleasure in rolling the names off our tongues but it can't be fulfilled if we can't pronounce them without knowing we're hitting at least somewhere near the right pronunciation.

Nice touch on Yuezhi Yabgu, by the way... :) I never knew the Yuezhi had moved so far west by the time frame of EB. Is there any background you can provide me on the Yuezhi, perhaps? Was their settlement historically recorded?

[Angadil]

Nice touch on Yuezhi Yabgu, by the way... :) I never knew the Yuezhi had moved so far west by the time frame of EB. Is there any background you can provide me on the Yuezhi, perhaps? Was their settlement historically recorded?

It's not so much that the Yuezhi had moved very far to the west by the time EB begins, but that EB's map extends further east than you may realize at first Notice that Yuezhi Yabgu comprises roughly the western end of the Tarim Basin. By the early III BCE and prior to their defeat by the Xiongnu, the Yuezhi appear to have been still the dominant power in the steppes to the northwest of China and to have hold dominion over the Tarim Basin.

As for an aid to pronounciation, I believe we are indeed contemplating such a thing.