Would the world be a better place if the US ruled the world?

[Ice]

Well the title pretty much says it all. Do you think the wortld would be a better place if we all lived under the government of the US? Nations would become states with all the same rights and privilges of our current states. If you dont like our form of government what one would you prefer in such a situtaion? Remember you can only choose one nation and form of government to rule the world.

Darn it this belongs in the back room where Beruit when I need him?

Maybe it's my national pride, but yes, I do think the world would be a better place. (Letting the flaming begin )

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I have no doubt about it but its amusing seeeing all these people say otherwise. The world would be better off under the rule of any number of democratic nations. Pindar keeps hinting at this sort of thing with his democratic nation only United Nations. Again if all the free world made the spread of democracy their main concern much of the worlds problems would be solved.

[King of Atlantis]

I have no doubt about it but its amusing seeeing all these people say otherwise. The world would be better off under the rule of any number of democratic nations. Pindar keeps hinting at this sort of thing with his democratic nation only United Nations. Again if all the free world made the spread of democracy their main concern much of the worlds problems would be solved.

Except many nations would reject democracy, such as many middle eastern nations.

[bmolsson]

Not possible. Who would then buy all the US dollar to cover the deficit and who would produce all those cheap stuff needed for the consumers.....

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Except many nations would reject democracy, such as many middle eastern nations.

You really thik so? I doubt it. Sure their governments might not like it but I think the people would think differently. You dont think everyone wants to be free? Are the people of the middle east different than those in the rest of the world? How do you know when they have never been given a choice?

[King of Atlantis]

yes i do. What do you think the average middle easterner's reaction to seperation of church and state would be?

[sharrukin]

You really thik so? I doubt it. Sure their governments might not like it but I think the people would think differently. You dont think everyone wants to be free? Are the people of the middle east different than those in the rest of the world? How do you know when they have never been given a choice?

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[Gawain of Orkeny]

yes i do. What do you think the average middle easterner's reaction to seperation of church and state would be?

Who said they had to do that. I remember people saying that the Iraqis didnt want democracy either. Democracy just means they get to vote their own leaders into power .

[King of Atlantis]

Fine, they dont want "western" democracy.

[Franconicus]

Well the title pretty much says it all. Do you think the wortld would be a better place if we all lived under the government of the US? Nations would become states with all the same rights and privilges of our current states. If you dont like our form of government what one would you prefer in such a situtaion? Remember you can only choose one nation and form of government to rule the world.

Darn it this belongs in the back room where Beruit when I need him?

I am confused. Your proposal is that all nations become states as part of the United States with equal rights? That would be great. I would accept that immediately (Even though some details should be adjusted first) But that would not mean that the US as we know it today would rules. Right?
You can also take any other state that has democracy - maybe not GB, I do not like kings and queens.

If all nations join the US the problem with illegal immigrants would be solved

[Gawain of Orkeny]

I am confused

How so?

Your proposal is that all nations become states as part of the United States with equal rights? That would be great. I would accept that immediately (Even though some details should be adjusted first) But that would not mean that the US as we know it today would rules. Right?

Yes Washington would be the capital but as you said every nation or state as it were would get 2 senators and the same proportion as our current states in the house. Since the constitution only says that the president for instance must be born in the US anyone in the world could be preisdent. It certainly would be a huge improvement over what we have now.

If all nations join the US the problem with illegal immigrants would be solved

Of course as there would be no such thing as immigrants just out of staters

[Red Harvest]

I guess I'm having trouble understanding why the US would want to "rule the world." That doesn't fit with our normal vision of things. Self determination has become a principle, and that doesn't fit with "ruling" others. Although the U.S has had imperial/colonial episodes in the past, one of our most redeeming traits has been to rebuild allied countries and defeated enemies rather than to subjugate either. Many might resent us for various reasons, but I hope they can respect our ability not to try to treat them as conquered subjects.

In answer to the question: some places would probably be better for it (autocracies/dictatorships, etc.) but others would be hurt by it. Our govt. is not one that necessarily will plug into other cultures.

And single nation rule of the world is fraught with danger. It represents the "ultimate monopoly." No matter how good the motives, I can't see how it would turn out positively.

[Franconicus]

How so?

The title 'US ruled the world' cunfused me. Because equal rights mean world population rules. By the way, it would not make much sense to call this global state 'United States of America', right. Maybe it should simply be named 'United Nations'.

Yes Washington would be the capital but as you said every nation or state as it were would get 2 senators and the same proportion as our current states in the house. Since the constitution only says that the president for instance must be born in the US anyone in the world could be preisdent. It certainly would be a huge improvement over what we have now.

Go ahead! I guess the next president could be Chinese!

[ScionTheWorm]

I see it as a horrible future scenario. Doubt it would be possible under any circumstance unless having a very surpressing gouverment and a very agressive and massive policeforce. I don't think american values is a good starting point either, at least not their current leaders. When decisions are based upon commercials for the people, and being most popular for the leaders, it obvious fails... and I doubt they wouldn't favour their own continent above the rest of us.

And besides, somebody has to be poor for me to be "rich", so one country may not be the best things for the west - now we don't have to shear

[bmolsson]

One thing is for sure, Bush wouldn't have been president in the democratic global united states. Most probably some Indian or Chinese.......

[Franconicus]

German! Everybody loves Germans.

[Duke Malcolm]

A world ruled by a democracy where only British subjects can vote for their representative to a chamber, say, the House of Commons. Lords can automatically get a seat in the House of Lords. The leader of the majority in the House of Lords is made Prime Minister, and has ultimate control over the Earth, under only the reigning monarch. The monarch appoints governors or viceroys for each ex-nation, who govern the ex-nation, with a systems of consuls, maharajahs, and a good many other subordinates.

[Ja'chyra]

In a word, no.

The whole idea is based on the assumption that the American system is ideal or at least the best available which I don't believe is true, but I have no idea which system is.

Yes Washington would be the capital but as you said every nation or state as it were would get 2 senators and the same proportion as our current states in the house. Since the constitution only says that the president for instance must be born in the US anyone in the world could be preisdent. It certainly would be a huge improvement over what we have now.

Why Washington? I would say that there are cities with a far better claim to capital. Also would that mean that the US would only have 2 senators? And what would this new super state be called? United States by any chance?

I think the only chance we have of being a united planet is when we find someone, or something, else to fight. That being said the idea of an united planet is a good thing, but unworkable at present.

Most of the world would be much better off if they got the same benefits as US states do. Imagine what a boon that would be for Africa and parts of Asia, it would bring them into the 21st century.

I certainly wouldnt give them a place in congress though..

Oh, so, you want to rule them without giving them their say, anyone for a dictatorship?

[ScionTheWorm]

Oh, so, you want to rule them without giving them their say, anyone for a dictatorship?

dictatorship is in theory not the worst way to go, as long as the guy in the steering seat isn't a goddamn maniac. but wouldn't work unless a massive police network or technology providing good control over the population of earth. impossible to make everybody have their way, so would be a real challange.

[Idaho]

But would we all get democratic rights or would we be undemocratic colonies like Guam, Saipan, Puerto Rico?

[ScionTheWorm]

should be an undemocratic society, but with an elightened leader which would know best for everybody. he would probably turn into a maniac though, if he was human. I just can't picture peace with 1000 different democratic colonies wanting it their way; would be wars etc, and no longer an united world

[Louis VI the Fat]

German! Everybody loves Germans.

Who's going to tell him?

[Ser Clegane]

Who's going to tell him?

Tell what?

I don't get it ...








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[Franconicus]

German! Everybody loves Germans.

Sorry, I meant German beer! Everybody loves German beer!
I have to learn to write more carefully.

[Louis VI the Fat]

And who said the Germans didn't have a sense of humor?

Bitte ein Bit für mich auch!

[Don Corleone]

Great gadzooks, how did I miss this thread for so long:

No, non, niet, nunca, bui, however else you want to say it... no way Jose. For one thing, equating every other country to a US state is ridiculous. It's already unfair that Rhode Island gets two senators, the same as California, but China only gets two senators two?

Aside from which, as long as the capital was in Washington DC, it'd never fly. For any sort of a 'global republic' to work, it would require a new government, not incorporating everybody else into ours, or people would feel disenfranchised. Someplace remote, like the Andes Islands, or Iceland would be a good choice for a new capital, but NOT DC.

[Franconicus]

And who said the Germans didn't have a sense of humor?

Bitte ein Bit für mich auch!

Merveilleux! Why don't we change to German. It is always strange to see Germans and French conversate in English