Historical myths

[VAE VICTUS]

1.that deeply religious religious people are nuts.some are but not all.i know because i am one,say what you want.
2.that the trinity is supported by the bible
3.that the catholic church was the first church
4.that war is glorious

fight with a greek,eat with a jew,sleep under the roof of a zorastrian.

[Soulforged]

1.that deeply religious religious people are nuts.some are but not all.i know because i am one,say what you want.
2.that the trinity is supported by the bible
3.that the catholic church was the first church
4.that war is glorious

fight with a greek,eat with a jew,sleep under the roof of a zorastrian.

1- Yes you are not nuts, but you're ignorant. If you want to beleave in something then beleave in humanity, not in some superior being that goes against all known science, lick the boots of an idea, it's just an idea you know, or you will tell me that you think it's more than that, perhaps a real material entity. If you have faith in that (i mean real faith like beleaving in something without any proof) then why not have faith in aliens or elves? Don't take me wrong, you're not doing any harm directly, but knowing some people that litterally lives from god (coming for a country where the things are always wrong i can tell you that) asking god for this and for that, it helps the church and the church is what does real harm (the explanation for this is really long). Read somthing of Bakunin, i always beleaved in god, an all that bullshit, but his text are a real "blessing" not like the Bible.
2- Not by the bible, but if you are catolic then you will notice that the unic interpretation of the Bible is from the Papacy (the Real Church) so you have to beleave in it, if you're not then the Holy Trinity is not more than other of the bullshit that no even Jesus said, like Vote of Castity, or the exclusion of the womans from the high positions in the church. Almost all the Bible is, like other fairytales, a matter of sugestion and of interpretation.

Washington was not a british because he fought against the british, and it wasn't exactly a civil war, it was a war for independence, so he considered himself another party and a new nation. He born in Britain but nothing else tied him to that land that this fact, from that point of view a kid born in Italy that migrates with his parents to Mexico is still Italian, now with the modern laws he is still Italian but also Mexican. Now you are stating a simple technicism, the reality is that nobody, not himself, considered as british.

[Soulforged]

Hey i've found a pretty example of what i say on the ignorance of beleavers, and the oldest myth of all...God:
look at this link (it's in english):

http://www.venganza.org/

[VAE VICTUS]

why should i believe in humanity?we still havent a found a way to stop killing.if someone disagrees with us we kill them.we want something they have we fight.(maybe its the only way?) i believe it is foolish to put trust in man.humans have to believe in something.without hope we are already half dead.and i cannot believe that everything was brought about by blind chance.maybe the flood was global,considering that there is enough water to cover the face of the earth,also if continental drift is correct at one time there was pangea,a super continent and supposedly mt. ranges were much smaller then supposedly.the catholic church is not the real church.dont just look at the words,read the bible actually.no graven images of god or anything else.you worship god not saints.and it doesnt say that if youre a virgin youre extra holy.also if everyone lived by the real true biblical rules of christianity the world would be a better place.that happened for a short while(maybe 25 yrs after john died).but it has been watered down immensly.and please dont call me ignorant.just because i believe in a higher power doesnt make me a fool,a nut or ignorant.i love philosophy,especially nietzche,because he makes me think.just because someone is religious doesnt mean that they belive anything that is said over the pulpit.(i certaintly dont)
to be honest im not sure if you can prove it one way or another.you have your faith,iahve mine.

[Soulforged]

Man beleave in what you want. But have this in mind, humanity is real, God is an idea. Read the text on the link, and then realease that you can't mock me if I start to beleave in the "Flying Spaghetti Monster", because is the same irrefutable idea. How can you say that the Flying Spaghetti Monster doesn't exist? Can you prove it? Well you can't because is just an idea, if you want to exist in that level of paranoia and absurdity then do it, it's just a problem for you.
I know that the Church is not just an actual building man, that stupid christian statement have being around for hundreds of years, when i say that the Church corrupts an blinds i'm talking about the whole community, specially the Pope. Others religion do the same, but there's no other so adaptative like the all mighty Church of Jusus Cryst. Perhaps you readed the Bible but you didn't do the same with my post, i never say that the things are like that. It's true the Bible does not say that "if you're virgin then you will be more holy"...please that type of religion would have lost all it's followers in the blink of an eye. But it's true also that says that Jesus never married (Which the Catolic Church (wisely?) interpreted like to be close to a such mighty person like him you don't have to have a female lover of any type, man that's so retrograde) and it says too that homosexuality is work of the Devil. And you know what are the "rules" of christianity? Because it's clouded by the work of the all mighty catolic church, who hides new documents from the public knowledge. Even reading at the "rules" that you can see on the public Bible you will see a lot of retrograde ideas like those posted before. And finally, no i've no faith, i belive in things, but i've to have some factical (visual) prove of it. Man you said so many things in this post that i cannot answer them like i want but let's say this: there is one proven fact stated by all known scientists- if you can prove a thing then it's not a scientific fact, and more if there is no way to refute it then it's also bullshit. For example i can say that the planets are atracted to each other by mutual love, now you can measure the factor "love" nor can you prove the element "love" exists or disaprove it. It's ironic that playing a game such as Rome Total War, where you kill people (fake people, but for this setence it doesn't matter) for fun, you say that you don't beleave in humanity for the same reason, and for the same reason so many "beleavers" blame god every time that there's a killing, and guess why God does not answer?... There's nothing perfect, but i chose to beleave in the human kind, is who i'm, is who you're, we suffer, we love, we destroy, we create, we evolve, and with our own minds and hands not with the help of some ghost. To not lose the topic here it's a scientific fact that religion born from the ignorance, an it only can spread ignorance, it born to give explanations, like philosophy, and like it the "study of nothing" (teology) adapted it self to every time that the state needed an excuse to opress people or to maintain the ignorance, the zeal, the patriotism, to make war or alliances, to call a crusade against the demons, against the negros (black people), it reacreated it self througth holy "evidence" of the saints and the visions of "chose people". But with one difference, the philosophy try to get facts and make an introspection from them (wich gives results) and then externalize them. The teology try to give you facts and make an interpretation of it, always fictituos, they don't see the thing for what it's they see in an eruption the wrath of god, in love too, in life and in death, so there is no introspection at all, the religion gives you what you must beleave with sweet words, and then says to you: "You are free to beleave it" but... If you don't beleave then you go to hell... Well there is much more to say, i don't pretend to change your way of thinking but also i pretend that you read this at least, because the discussion is for another thread.

[swirly_the_toilet_fish]

What about Yetis? Historically they have existed in myths for thousands of years!

[VAE VICTUS]

because spaghetti cant fly.i would rather believe in an idea then in man.

[Meneldil]

Mongols were bad.