as usual:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...7/13/ixop.html
Or should I say, they are trying not to offend Islamic extremists with their coverage of the London bombings.
the BBC doing something far too pc
as usual:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/opinion/m...7/13/ixop.html
Or should I say, they are trying not to offend Islamic extremists with their coverage of the London bombings.
Last edited by Taffy_is_a_Taff; 07-13-2005 at 02:04.
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Idiotic. But I'm sure Sir John Reith, under whose leadership BBC systematically barred Churchill from discussing foreign policy on air during the 1930's, would be proud.
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The race is on to make political capital out of the bombings!!!!
Strike #1 - The Telegraph!
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INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
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Jag, come on. Sucking up to thin-skinned British muslims would make the BBC strike one. Strike two would be the Telegraph for calling them on it.
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Bloody hell JAG is obvious it's because the BBC might lose some money that they've done this.....you should be disgusted at such a capitalist stance. Well I'm a capitalist and it bloody well disgusts me....shitty BBC calling a spade , an 'alloy moulded with wood, which may support excavation, implement'
I pay for this palaver as well......digusting
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JAG, I believe the head of the Transport Workers Union tried to blame them (the explosions) on privatisation before it became widely known that it was a terrorist attack. That has to be the first political point scoring.
Last edited by Taffy_is_a_Taff; 07-13-2005 at 02:57.
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I hate it when the BBC is bashed, it provides a BRILLIANT service, both impartial and completely fulfilling. The Telegraph on the other hand... Is a pile of shit. When it provides a decent paper, then it should start lecturing about the BBC not using the word 'terrorism'. Why the hell is 'terrorism' so important anyway, to describe it? Not to mention that it HAS been used on the BBC and the news service, it was used this past week and I know that for a fact.
And if you really think the BBC would loose money if it used the word 'terrorism', you really are deceiving yourself, that is absurd. Furthermore, if you believe Labour cares if the BBC uses the word 'terrorism', when it has been using the word frequently, again you are being patently absurd.
That was when it was believed the attack was due to bad electronic trouble. To blame privatisation for that, might very well be fair if you look at the context of the terrible privatisation.JAG, I believe the head of the Transport Workers Union tried to blame them (the explosions) on privatisation before it became widely known that it was a terrorist attack. That has to be the first political point scoring.
You guys should really be ashamed.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
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I wouldn't call it a terrorist attack, it was a stupid muderous act... but the Londoners didn't look particularly terrorised, stiff upper lip what 'n all.
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You can attack that paper all you like, but that doesnt explain why the BBC would choose not to use the word.
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How can you still be defending the BBC after this Jag???
Its Political Correctness taken too far. PC is going to lead to the demise of our society if we aren't careful.
Viva La Rasa!!!
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I don't see the big deal, personally...
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You honestly don't see the problem behind shying away from the word terrorist to describe a terrorist???
Its not like theres a shadow of a doubt about what they are. Its this sort of ostrich hiding its head in the ground type action that will endanger us in the long. Calling a terrorist a bomber accomplishes nothing exept make them seem like less of a threat.
Viva La Rasa!!!
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It is a shame I have to do this, as I would have thought all of you would have used your common sense and realised the attack o nthe BBC by the shitty Telegraph, was bollocks. But nevermind.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/magazine/4661523.stm
First sentence.After a terror attack on the scale of the London bombings, where do the police begin in tracking down the perpetrators?
Another one.The devices used high-explosives and were not home-made, which will also be taken as an indication of whether these were "home-grown" terror suspects or those with international links.
Oh, look, another one.However, experienced terrorists can combat forensic methods.
They try to cover their tracks after handling explosive material by disposing of any shoes and clothes worn while putting the incendiary device together. They may also try to wash specks off their body and even cut their hair.
I think people might want to look themselves at the BBC 'refusing' to use the word 'terrorists', before they buy such a bullshit story.
Seriously, the degree at which people will bull shit and deceive themselves to simply try and score some political points. Political points on an organisation as good as the BBC should always be shameful for those who do it and that is why I will always defend the BBC Efrem.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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Well you didn't say it wasn't true, you said it wasn't bad.
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Jag, I'm not sure whether you actually read the article by the Telegraph, but it claims the BBC edict only related to not calling the perpetrators of the attack "terrorist". It is possible to use the term terror attack or terror suspects, just not terrorist, so your first 2 quotes don't back up your argument.
The third quote doesn't call the perpetrators of the attack "experienced terrorists", it relates to terrorists generally, so it isn't breaching the BBC edict.
This is why the policy is so ridiculous, it isn't even fully coherent, as it only relates to calling the perpetrators of this attack "terrorists", and words such as "terror attack" can be used.
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That statement shows just how LITTLE of my posts you read.
GARCIN: I "dreamt," you say. It was no dream. When I chose the hardest path, I made my choice deliberately. A man is what he wills himself to be.
INEZ: Prove it. Prove it was no dream. It's what one does, and nothing else, that shows the stuff one's made of.
GARCIN: I died too soon. I wasn't allowed time to - to do my deeds.
INEZ: One always dies too soon - or too late. And yet one's whole life is complete at that moment, with a line drawn neatly under it, ready for the summing up. You are - your life, and nothing else.
Jean Paul Sartre - No Exit 1944
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The BBC impartial? ROFLMAO! The foreign service maybe, but not the domestic one. And it is a poor debater who discredits a source of information without proper reason. Just because it holds a different view point does not mean that everything it says is false.
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Oh No! it was in the Telegraph.
Funny how I've heard it mentioned on news channels in the U.S. too. It's not like this incident is a one paper war against the BBC (although I admit that the Telegraph does have a beef with the BBC). I also read it on a few other online sources too. I also guess it's probably in a few papers other than just the Telegraph.
This fits right in with what Rod Liddle called the BBC's "institutionalised political correctness" in its coverage of British Muslims.
I like Rod Liddle's writing a lot and figured you probably do as he's a Labour, BBC and Guardian veteran.
Last edited by Taffy_is_a_Taff; 07-13-2005 at 12:51.
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They're all practically the same, so I only bother reading the first and last sentence of you first post in the thread.
Its a tactic that has served me well in avoiding reading the same thing over and over again put differently.
Viva La Rasa!!!
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So is it true or not that there was a memo about not using the word terrorist? It seems Jag disputes even that.
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I understand that the BBC initially used terrorist in the immediate aftermath of the bombing but is now trying not to use that term.
There was even some guy on the news trying to justify this behaviour so it's not just the Telegraph that believes this to be the case, so do some hardcore supporters of the BBC.
The article JAG quoted was two days after the bombing and used the word "Terrorist" once and that was not even used directly to refer to the bombers in London.
I think what we need to is look at the BBC's coverage of Tony Blair's statement to the commons that the Telegraph article refers to.
I am doing that now.
Looking through the BBC website at the moment. I have only found "terrorist" used in quotes or in the name of a police hotline in their headline London aftermath stories.
So I entered "terrorist London" in their search and I only found "terrorist" in quotes, as part of a hotline name and comments by people (plus one diary article) except for one article that referred to "terrorist incidents" rather than calling the bombers terrorists.
I found references to bombers though.
Well, well, well I found Tony Blair's commons statement on the BBC: "terrorist" is used because it's all a big quote yet the BBC commentary on the statement does not use "terrorist" except where it quotes Tony Blair.
Last edited by Taffy_is_a_Taff; 07-13-2005 at 15:48.
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This whole thing seems to be a lot of fuss about nothing.
What's so unusual about the BBC articles? How often do other networks use the term "terrorist" in their coverage?
Let's see
Fox News
In this article the term "terrorist" is not even used once (!). "Bombers" or "attackers" are the terms that are used here.
CNN
Again, the term of choice is "(suicide) attackers".
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I hear Fox and CNN use terrorist a lot more than the BBC seems to.
It's a big deal because the BBC is said to have deliberately implemented a policy so as not to offend supporters of Islamic fundamentalists.
Last edited by Taffy_is_a_Taff; 07-13-2005 at 15:52.
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Now that statement is a bit vague to build a case on, isn't it?
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ok, how about Fox news was in the background last night and I heard them use the term "terrorist" multiple times during that show.
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another article on it:
http://www.brandrepublic.com/bulleti...ondon-bombings
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I am sure someone said used the term "terrorist" on BBC before as well in some show (this starts to remind me of "Life of Brian" ... "They said 'terrorist'")
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displays change in online story's terminology using screenshots:
http://hurryupharry.bloghouse.net/ar...st_problem.php
Last edited by Taffy_is_a_Taff; 07-13-2005 at 16:21.
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Uhm ... what exactly is linking to additional blogs supposed to prove?
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well, I when I listen to the BBC it sure does go out of its way not to call certain people terrorists, especially Palestinian ones.
I've heard the BBC use terrorist before too but it's not exactly common.
Turns out that the BBC are denying they issued any memo saying do not say terrorist about London bombings. That doesn't mean they don't go out of their way to avoid using the term.
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