Change U.S. law on anchor babies

[Gawain of Orkeny]

What connection do they have to their parents' country?

Their parents of course who should still be living in that country.

If they were born in America, they should be American. Born in Britain, British

Then why dont the British or anyone but us have such a law?

It's not going to help integration if you develop an underclass of people who have lived in America their whole lives, speak English only, and then can't go back to their parents' country anyway. What do you do with them? Dump them in no-mans land between borders?

No I want them and their parents back in the country they came from and belong to before the kids grow up here. Someone asked why should the children be punished for the sins of their parents. When I ask why should they be rewarded for the sins of their parents theres no answer from you. This is a no brainer.

[Divinus Arma]

Anchor babies? I prefer the term "dirt birth babies". The illegals run across the desert and spit their babies out onto the dirt in the wilderness of american soil. As soon as they cross, they just spit that trash out in the sand. Then life becomes good for them. I think some actually get pregnant just to spew their dirt birth babies in america and get the benefits.

[Ser Clegane]

they just spit that trash out in the sand.

Slightly offensive - don't you think?

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Slightly offensive - don't you think?

Yes very. Remember its only trash until the unbelical cord is cut.

[Ser Clegane]

Remember its only trash until the unbelical cord is cut.

Only in the US

[Gawain of Orkeny]

So if the baby comes out but the unbelical cord isnt cut and the mother goes back accross the border is the kid a citizen or not?

Only in the US

Yup most of the free world is more civilized and only considers it trash for the first 13 weeks,

In all seriousness you people have a much better grip on this problem than we do.

[Ser Clegane]

So if the baby comes out but the unbelical cord isnt cut and the mother goes back accross the border is the kid a citizen or not?

I leave that to your beloved SCOTUS to decide.

Personally, I think the idea that every child that is born on US soil can claim US citizenship has a certain romantic charme, but somewhat lacks the link to real life. But then - that's your problem to handle

I only took an issue at the remark I quoted above, which I consider to be quite inappropriate.

[PanzerJaeger]

As someone who had to obtain citizenship to the US the hard, legal, way; I would definitely support ending this stupid interpretation of the law.

[bmolsson]

Then why dont the British or anyone but us have such a law?

Irrelevant. We are talking about US now.

No I want them and their parents back in the country they came from and belong to before the kids grow up here. Someone asked why should the children be punished for the sins of their parents. When I ask why should they be rewarded for the sins of their parents theres no answer from you. This is a no brainer.

According to the law a child can not be punished for anything the parents have done. This is not an exception. The child is innocent to any immigration violation committed by the parents. You want to revoke the right from an unborn child, which you also claim is a human with rights.

And yes, it's a no brainer. The child has not violated ANY laws and have the RIGHT to become an American citizen when born on American soil.

I for one think that this is a law that US should be proud over. Shame on you picking on innocent unborn children like this........

[el_slapper]

I tend to second bmolsson. The kid is born in a country, was raised in a country - and suddenly has to emigrate 'cause its parents have done something wrong? My country is where I did grow up. Not where my parents did.

And, Gawain : I just told you France had such a soil law - just that the kid has to be raised up in France too, not only be born here. If effectively they cross the border, give birth, & come back, the kid is not from here - just accidentally born over there. If they cross the border, give birth, & the child does grow up here, hell, the child's country is here!!!

[Del Arroyo]

It's my personal feeling that the Mexico battle is lost already. We should just integrate and draw a new border in Guatemala.

The Mexicans by and large aren't such bad people. What would be good is if instead of only THEM coming HERE, we should send some people down there to teach them how to run their local governments. Maybe once our economy tanks due to lack of manufacturing, the wage disadvantage will be small enough for some working class Americans to move down there and start cleaning things up.

DA

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Irrelevant. We are talking about US now.

In other words do as I say not as I do. Only the US should be held to this standard.

According to the law a child can not be punished for anything the parents have done. This is not an exception.

No its not as the child isnt being punished. Again I merely want to change the law.

You want to revoke the right from an unborn child,

What right? The only thing that allows them to be a US citizen is a silly law. Again I merly want to change it.

which you also claim is a human with rights.

Sure it has rights but one of them isnt that its a US citizen.

The child has not violated ANY laws and have the RIGHT to become an American citizen when born on American soil.

If effectively they cross the border, give birth, & come back, the kid is not from here - just accidentally born over there.

Well thats not the law here. Born here and no matter what your a citizen. I dont want the kid born or raised here in the first place. Again if I rob a bank and give all the money to my kid will the governent let him keep it if they know how he got it or will they punish him by taking it away. Hey you cant punish the child for the sins of the father can you? If we change te law no one is being punished. Were not sending the children to jail.

It has no more RIGHT to be a US citizen than I have the RIGHT to drive. Our law currently bestows that PRVILIGE upon them. Again I want that law changed.

[Don Corleone]

It's my personal feeling that the Mexico battle is lost already. We should just integrate and draw a new border in Guatemala.

The Mexicans by and large aren't such bad people. What would be good is if instead of only THEM coming HERE, we should send some people down there to teach them how to run their local governments. Maybe once our economy tanks due to lack of manufacturing, the wage disadvantage will be small enough for some working class Americans to move down there and start cleaning things up.

DA

What do you think NAFTA is all about? Of cours Mexicans aren't bad people. But they are draining our system dry under the current rules. We either need to be separate (and each pays for and receives their own public benefits) or we need to be united (and everyone pays for and receives common public benefits). As it stands now, illegal immigrants are driving hospitals and schools in the Southwest bankrupt. It's not that they're bad people, but they're taking value out of a system without putting anything back in. This needs to be changed.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Mexicans aren't bad people

Don your pidgeon holing people There are no Mexicans were all people. Thats just a man made way of seperating us like you say in the other thread. Hell why have borders or different governments as were all the same right ?

[Productivity]

Two things

First I think the rule should be, if born in a country you are a citizen. The parents then are allowed to legally stay, until the child is 18, at which point they are deported. The child is entitled to everything a citizen is, however the illegal parents have a significantly reduced set of services available to them. If any further children are born, they do not extend the time the parents may stay, custody upon deportation of the parents is given to the 18 year old child. It's about the fairest thing I can think up of, the child gets given a country and the parents don't get to stay forever (albeit they do stay for longer than I would prefer).

The second thing is, if you deport the newborn, what happens to them. Let us assume hypothetically we are talking about Mexicans trying to move illegally to the US. What happens if the child is born in the US, the US doesn't accept them, and trys to deport them, and Mexico rejects them on the grounds that they are not Mexicans (because they were not born there, and refuses to accept the child as an immigrant)? If I recall correctly, Australia has a number of such stateless people in our detention centres, and nobody really knows what to do with them.

[Ser Clegane]

and Mexico rejects them on the grounds that they are not Mexicans (because they were not born there, and refuses to accept the child as an immigrant)?

Are there any countries that deny a child citizenship, even if both parents are citizens of that country - just based on the fact that the child is not born on the soil of that country?

I think I have to agree with Gawain here - I don't quite see why a child that my wife and I might have should have the automatic right to become citizen of e.g., Japan just because we happened to be in Japan for a couple of days when the child was born. (e.g., while traveling and my wife went into early labor).

[scooter_the_shooter]

ok It seems mostly non americans want us to keep it so the illegal children can stay... how about we give them to your countrys if it is so great.


If some one wants to live here try and get a green card dont use loop wholes to become citizens.

[Don Corleone]

Don your pidgeon holing people There are no Mexicans were all people. Thats just a man made way of seperating us like you say in the other thread. Hell why have borders or different governments as were all the same right ?

I never said we couldn't separate people into groups. I said race was a poor metric, as it's too vague and not very well defined. Nationality is VERY clear. You're either a legal citizen or a legal visitor to a country or you're not.

So trying to ruin my Friday, or I'll send the Arabic Assassin after you. I understand he's looking relocate.

[Divinus Arma]

Slightly offensive - don't you think?

I know. Isn't it wonderful?

In all seriousness, "trash" in militaryspeak is just personally owned property. As in "pick up all your trash and gear" (pick up all of your personal property and military property).

It gets used for many different things in my beloved Corps. It can also mean language, as in: "secure that trash" (stop cursing) or it could be an event of some kind: "that trash was great!" (that movie, book, play, concert, opera, fireworks display, auto accident, music, storm, etc. was awesome!) It is an interchangeable word used in the place of the word sh*t. That way, Marines can cuss without actually cussing. Thus is only slightly offensive, unlike "ka-ka". So you were acurately descriptive in your moderating.

Have a great day!

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Cool another Jarhead. Semper-Fi m8

I think I have to agree with Gawain here - I don't quite see why a child that my wife and I might have should have the automatic right to become citizen of e.g., Japan just because we happened to be in Japan for a couple of days when the child was born. (e.g., while traveling and my wife went into early labor).

Im not even against that. I only oppose making children of people who are illegally in the country and born here not granted automatic citizenship.

[Productivity]

ok It seems mostly non americans want us to keep it so the illegal children can stay... how about we give them to your countrys if it is so great.


If some one wants to live here try and get a green card dont use loop wholes to become citizens.

Bah I have the same view in regards to Australia. We just protect our borders (quite shamefully in some cases). The initial post was about the US. It was posted on an international forum. Of course you are going to get others discussing it.

[bmolsson]

I only oppose making children of people who are illegally in the country and born here not granted automatic citizenship.

And if they don't have any other citizenship you will just have them aborted ???

It's their fricking right. It's the law, the very foundation of the great American nation !!!!!

[scooter_the_shooter]

Thats why we want the law changed the vast majority of americans don't want the illegal's children here.


you are not even from america but you want to tell us who we should and should not let in our country

Thats like me telling your country "you have to let these illegal children in it makes you great" While they don't pay hospital bills.... take jobs ....health care..... and social security from real americans. And welfare. And after all THAT a bunch of em join latino gangs

[bmolsson]

you are not even from america but you want to tell us who we should and should not let in our country

I only tell you this since I yet have to gather an army large enough to invade and protect the innocent childrens right you are trying to revoke. I am the great protecter of the innocent........

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

I dont know of any other country that allows this.

Twice already, El Slapper pointed at France as another country with the same law.

The main difference is the kid can ask for citizenship after 18. It's not compulsory, he got to ask for it.

Otherwise, anyone born in France can be French.

Louis,

PS: I find the use of the word "trash" offensive. This is an international board, not a Marine camp, so please your kind of specific linguo there...

[scooter_the_shooter]

bmolsson Did you even read the bottom part of my last post

[Kaiser of Arabia]

This issue has pissed me off for...ever.

I say we make illegal immigration a capital offense and any children to illegal immigrants illegal immigrants themselves, and that we refuse to deliver their kids in American hospitals. And refuse them education, jobs, welfare, government protection, and protection from lynch mobs.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Twice already, El Slapper pointed at France as another country with the same law.

No he didnt.

[scooter_the_shooter]

We need the mintute man project on the whole southern boarder

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

No he didnt.

Hu?

And, Gawain : I just told you France had such a soil law

France. Whoever born in France and raised up in France may be granted citizenship as long as they demand it between the ages of 18 and 20(or 16 and 20, I don't remember the details).

Now if you go nitpicking, sure the wording of the law is not the same: I doubt you can find any law being the same in any other country to the semicolon.

The requirement are to become French if born in France are:
- born in France
- need to 18, or 13 if parents ask for you earlier. It's either automatic at 18 or upon request at 13 if asked by parents.
- live in France at 18 (or later), when getting the citizenship.
- has lived in France for 5 years

El Slapper is wrong in the sense you don't have to ask for it. It's automatic; you have to ask not to have it. (1993 law El Slapper was refering to was suppressed in 1998)


I got no doubt the wording of the law is different. However, it's a soil law, and it is relevant to the topic. In effect, if you're born in France, you'll be French at 18.
The "live 5 years" requirement apply even if your parents are in France illegally. Not punishing the children for the sin of the parents.

Louis