Historical Data for Bi??

**SMZ** · 07-15-2005, 16:41

The somewhat rabid response has stunned me somewhat... a number of posters in this thread seem somewhat unbalanced on the side of hasty judgements and baseless proclamations.

Having a priest along to reinforce the troops morale isn't a far-fetched idea. Even today when many people aren't even certain a higher power exists, the U.S. military still has chaplains. There have been spiritual leaders in virtually every war mankind has fought. The priest wielding a cudgel is a matter of taste. Many probably didn't carry any sort of weapon at all, relying instead on the protection of their attendents and faith. Some most likely did carry some sort of simple weaponry for basic defense... a simple club works as good as anything else...

**Orda Khan** · 07-15-2005, 17:16

Originally Posted by SMZ

The somewhat rabid response has stunned me somewhat...

Yes I agree....and there will always be the unit that people find 'cheesy' or whatever. I am certainly sick of reading how bad CA are, how bad RTW is, how bad BI will be.

For goodness sake, how many times do we have to read that sort of comment?

I do not like 'War Priests' either but I fail to see the point in posting this and other negative points over and over. If nothing else, it makes the Org a forum full of whiners and hardly likely to encourage visitors. Every thread seems to be hijacked by ( mostly the same ) members who go on and on. It really is tedious

.......Orda

**Asakura Lord** · 07-15-2005, 17:41

If you don't like CA, the game, or how they are designing the game use your "choice" not to play it and stop complaining. If you don't like the unit, don't use it.

**conon394** · 07-15-2005, 18:05

SMZ

But last time I checked the USMC for example does not deploy assault Chaplin teams to spearhead attacks (times change though and I admit the ex-marines I know were Vietnam-era, so maybe they do now).

Might not be a bad ideal if it was implemented as a extra you can but to have attached to your unit. As in pay another 10% and you get a priest attached to your unit of late roman infantry (kind of like a centurion or other officer in RTW).

As a regular unit though, personally I find ’em silly.

**SMZ** · 07-15-2005, 18:34

Originally Posted by conon394

SMZ

But last time I checked the USMC for example does not deploy assault Chaplin teams to spearhead attacks (times change though and I admit the ex-marines I know were Vietnam-era, so maybe they do now).

if you simply read what CA said about the unit... they are not going to be used as "assault" forces or to "spearhead attacks"

the note of condescension is not neccessary, if I wished I could ridicule you as well and probably with a much greater degree of accuracy - if you want to consider whether the units are logical or not, read my post in the other thread

**Afro Thunder** · 07-15-2005, 18:56

To those of you talking about how their aren't any elite "Chaplain Assault units", you do realize that these priest units have about the same stats as a peasant unit?

**Proper Gander** · 07-15-2005, 19:14

Originally Posted by Afro Thunder

To those of you talking about how their aren't any elite "Chaplain Assault units", you do realize that these priest units have about the same stats as a peasant unit?

well? the fact that CA wastes time and money on such silly things is sad. why bother?

if they're the only silly unit, no problem. it just concerns me.

**Productivity** · 07-16-2005, 05:07

Originally Posted by Asakura Lord

If you don't like CA, the game, or how they are designing the game use your "choice" not to play it and stop complaining. If you don't like the unit, don't use it.

I will stop complaining once they give me a refund for R:TW.

**Mongoose** · 07-16-2005, 05:34

Originally Posted by dgb

I will stop complaining once they give me a refund for R:TW.

If you don't like it, stop Bi***ing and travel back in time to warn your self not to buy it.

**Zenicetus** · 07-15-2005, 17:59

Not whining here, just offering honest feedback and a personal opinion. The main thing that bothers me about the Priest is that it takes up a combat unit slot, and yet (as the description says), these units are not expected to actually enter combat. So now your army has 19 "real" combat units and one morale-boosting unit that's weak and has to be protected, and kept close to the troops (I assume) for full effect.

It just seems to me that it's adding another layer of micromanagement during battles. I'd rather micromanage actual combat units. In real life, I doubt that the generals of the time were having to worry about positioning their priests when managing a live battle.

It will be fine if you can choose not to use this unit, and still have an effective army. Choices and options are a good thing. I don't think it will be much fun if CA balances the game so you're forced to use the priest to win battles.

**Mongoose** · 07-15-2005, 18:08

If you don't like CA, the game, or how they are designing the game use your "choice" not to play it and stop complaining. If you don't like the unit, don't use it.

In other words: "don't post here if you disagree with me"

I have wasted enough time on this...when and if i buy the game, the first thing i will do is remove this absurd unit. What i am trying to do now is convince CA to make it semi historical so that i will not have to remove it. that's all.It could be realistic AND FUN if they made it a kind of "Spectator" That boosted morale from a distance ad routed once the army was defeated.

Thank's

EDIT:

As a regular unit though, personally I find ’em silly.

Couldn't agree more. They would be fine as a sort of 'officer'.

**Asakura Lord** · 07-15-2005, 18:21

Post all you want, event if you don't agree with me.

I agree that they are silly units, but they are there and I'm tired of people whining. ( so of course I'm whining about people that whine)

I give up