Star Wars vs Star Trek

[King of Atlantis]

They already kinda made one, but it was a cartoon.

[sharrukin]

Well, if we were just talking about the first three Star Wars movies then they would clearly win. The fourth (Episode one) movie however, sucked so bad you would have thought they blew the airlocks. There was some improvement in the following movies but not enough IMO. This brought the level down so much I think they are close to being equal.

[Beirut]

Although Star Wars is great, Star Trek is better.

More soul. More human condition. More hot women. More macho bed 'em & leave 'em real men like Captain Kirk. (Hans Solo is a woos compared to Kirk.)

Star Trek is everyman.

[The_Doctor]

I know, but there is going to be series and it will be terrible.

Though it is hard to imagine something worse than "Enterprise" with all its heresy and mirroring real life events and time travel all the time. I swear Capt. Archer is the 11th Doctor.

[King of Atlantis]

Well, if we were just talking about the first three Star Wars movies then they would clearly win. The fourth (Episode one) movie however, sucked so bad you would have thought they blew the airlocks. There was some improvement in the following movies but not enough IMO. This brought the level down so much I think they are close to being equal.

You have to remember that the original three are old and were almost worshipped when they came out. They always seemed good to me until the new ones came out. 5 and 6 are still pretty cool though.

[sharrukin]

You have to remember that the original three are old and were almost worshipped when they came out. They always seemed good to me until the new ones came out. 5 and 6 are still pretty cool though.

Well I have the older three on video and have no desire to get the last three (maybe the last one) as they are nowhere near as good. The kid who played the young Anakin was just terrible. Look at the kid who played in the sixth sense or Dakota Fanning, or any other child actor and you can see no excuse for casting such a poor actor.

The other problem is that they never talked to each other. There was no character development or dialogue, and the Jedi's were so dull and boring they paled in comparison to Alex Guiness playing Obi Wan Kenobi. I don't know if Hayden Christensen is just a bad actor or George Lucas is to blame but his character was just dull and one dimensional. All the special effects in the world won't make up for a main character that you don't care about.

I am mystified as to what happened to the last three movies. As I said they did get better, so your right, 5 and 6 are better, but they should have been done right from the start.

[Steppe Merc]

Though it is hard to imagine something worse than "Enterprise" with all its heresy and mirroring real life events and time travel all the time. I swear Capt. Archer is the 11th Doctor.

Yeah, what was the deal with that?

But the thing about Star Trek: What's with the Kligons? I love em, I think they are really cool, but the original series, the Kligons are very wierd. But then again, there are tribbles...
But Worf is awesome, and I think would give a very good fight against any Star Wars non Jedi warrior (well, except for Boba Fett... )

But are you all taking into acount everything? Books and all? Or just movies and tv series?

[lars573]

Yeah, what was the deal with that?

But the thing about Star Trek: What's with the Kligons? I love em, I think they are really cool, but the original series, the Kligons are very wierd. But then again, there are tribbles...
But Worf is awesome, and I think would give a very good fight against any Star Wars non Jedi warrior (well, except for Boba Fett... )

But are you all taking into acount everything? Books and all? Or just movies and tv series?

The 30th century federation and star fleet were fighting a time cold war with other people whom that moron Berman never revealed. The way they were talking they wanted to have the temporal cold war be a back drop for the whole series. Kind of like Voyager being stuck in the delta quadrant. The problem is that it was poorly executed. That and Scott Bakula should have never been any where near a star fleet unifrom.

Klingons were commies, while the Romulans were fascists in the original series. They did major retconning to the klingons in the first 3 movies and the next generation.

[Steppe Merc]

Thanks for explaining. I was very confused the first time I saw Klingons with no ridges!

And in TNG and DS9 (which I know the most), they are not exactly commie like at all, for which I'm grateful.

[lars573]

One of the good things Enterprise did was explain why Klingons don't have ridges in TOS. The real reason was budget, TOS had a very low budget. Browned skin and Fu-Manchu moustaches were about all they could afford. The reason Enterprise cooked up was a virus spawned from a sick Klingon who was given a genetic cocktail made from human augment DNA. It mutated with the virus and made a plauge that was killing millions of Klingons. With Dr. Floxes help they found a cure. But it left anyone infected with no ridges.

[Big_John]

imo enterprise was still better than voyager..

as to the poll, it's hard to say. after watching episode 3 of star wars, i went back and re-watched eps 4-6 for the first time in quite a while. it was strange, they are not nearly as good as i remember. especially episode 4.. wow. i mean, even for the time it was made, the dialogue is uneven at best (laughable at worst). the acting is nothing to get excited about. obviously, the special effects really suffer after all these years. but that leads to a secondary problem for people watching the first movies after seeing the new ones. the poor (in comparison) special effects actually destroy the sense of emersion to a degree.

things really pick up with empire, but it's not dissimilar to the difference between st:tos and st:tng. i used to strongly believe star wars was superior. now, i'm on the fence. star trek is better when at it's best (i.e. later seasons of tng, wrath of khan, first contact), but when you factor in voyager and enterprise, and, let's be honest, tos.. it's too close to call!!!

i shouldn't get stressed out over things like this...

[The_Doctor]

One of the good things Enterprise did was explain why Klingons don't have ridges in TOS. The real reason was budget, TOS had a very low budget. Browned skin and Fu-Manchu moustaches were about all they could afford. The reason Enterprise cooked up was a virus spawned from a sick Klingon who was given a genetic cocktail made from human augment DNA. It mutated with the virus and made a plauge that was killing millions of Klingons. With Dr. Floxes help they found a cure. But it left anyone infected with no ridges.

They did not need to do that episode.

The 30th century federation and star fleet were fighting a time cold war with other people whom that moron Berman never revealed. The way they were talking they wanted to have the temporal cold war be a back drop for the whole series. Kind of like Voyager being stuck in the delta quadrant. The problem is that it was poorly executed. That and Scott Bakula should have never been any where near a star fleet unifrom.

I think they where Romulans.

What happened to the Xindi?

[Mikeus Caesar]

I think they where Romulans.

No, they were someone called the Sphere Builders, who threatened to destroy all life in the Alpha Quadrant by making it more hospitable for their needs. And if this is correct, then dear god, i've become a geek!

[The_Doctor]

I did not watch most of the series, so I don't really know what is going on.

[lars573]

They did not need to do that episode.

Yes they did it was one of the better episodes of Enterprise. Right up there with through the mirror darkly and the augments.

I think they where Romulans.

If anyone were Romulans it was the guys controlling the Suleban

What happened to the Xindi?

They made friends with Archer and crew and nothing more was said. Except that in the 26th century they are part of the federation.

[The_Doctor]

If anyone were Romulans it was the guys controlling the Suleban

That is what I ment.

[Roark]

I dig 'em both, but I'd prefer to watch a marathon of Star Trek than Star Wars. I find that I "care" more about the characters too, for lack of a better word...