The Left's False Narrative

[Pindar]

Oh, I think we beat everybody on the sheer scale of it. And as far as I know, we were the first for massive industrial slaughter.

Given industry is a product of the West this statement would seem self-evident. But given the spread of industrial technology to non-Western peoples has seen their own use of mass slaughter i.e. China and Cambodia: this doesn't seem to be a particularly unique experience.

But back on topic... Even if we are not the only ones, at least others are not parading, pretending they are superior and lecturing people how great they are... are they?

If we're doing this just like anyone else, which is arguable, how are we superior, despite our higher morale status?

Louis,

Every culture Asian culture I have spend time in seems to argue: it is superior to all others. This usually follows cultural/racial lines. The difference in assertions is, as I have cited: democracy, civil liberties and science are real goods that vastly improve the quality of life of any influenced by them.

[bmolsson]

Every culture Asian culture I have spend time in seems to argue: it is superior to all others. This usually follows cultural/racial lines. The difference in assertions is, as I have cited: democracy, civil liberties and science are real goods that vastly improve the quality of life of any influenced by them.

Singapore argues that the "Asian way" of ruling countries are superior...
And it's sometimes hard to claim otherwise with Singapore....

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

This is not the place to argue about the uniqueness of WWII final solution. That's for another topic.




As already mentioned we did not live up to those achievements.

Our claim of superiority is undermined by our history of monstrosity.

Let's admit (and forget ancient Greek) that democracy is a Western value: we had a long history of NOT SHARING IT with our slaves and puppet states around the world. We still don't share it; we pay lip service to the concept in other countries. We've been for years: "it would be great if democracy is everyhwere, we look forward spreading it, yadi, yada....".
When looking at actual achievement over the last 200 years, there is nothing to be proud of.

Science? We put it into greedy hands, or in violent ones... Ah... The chemicals in Ypres...


I got no doubt of the inner good of spreading democracy, I am very happy that our understanding of the world is improving and I see those are great achievements.

But when it comes to try to get our fellow human brothers to adopt those, and given our bloody history of screwing them around while pretending we were superior, I do believe a little more humility, and a more down to earth approach would give you greater good will than arrogant lecturing.
The few last times we were in Iraq, we did nothing to promote democracy: the brit did not in between WW (despite Lawrence pledge), and we did not again after the previous Gulf War.

If I were an Iraqi intellectual reading this... I'd grow cynical.

Louis,

[Pindar]

I got no doubt of the inner good of spreading democracy, I am very happy that our understanding of the world is improving and I see those are great achievements.

Louis,

You have made my point.

[Louis de la Ferte Ste Colombe]

You have made my point.

LOL !

Louis,

[JAG]

Down with the left!

All they ever want to do is hurt, pillage and destroy!

Stupid lefties always trying to help the less fortunate. Disgusting.

[JAG]

Woohoo, Bias propaganda that only servs to keep the crappy wheel of Propaganda spinning. Both sides have policies, party members, and supporters to be ashamed of. That article just smacks of self-rightousness.

The right being 'self-righteous'?! Never!

[ICantSpellDawg]

The right being 'self-righteous'?! Never!

the left should be called "self-lefteous"