what happened to "why the hostility"

[barocca]

i moved it

it is in a secure forum where i can read it all
which i dont have time to do today

as far as i can tell from the notifications i received and the couple of posts i read no-one need panic, looks like a little bit of creative rivalry is all

okies
not majorly concerned unless i find death threats in it,
which i wont


Mods,
who "owns" what

actually, because we are making game mods for a product Owned by CA what we make is Freeware and most likely subject to GNU Open Source

no-one can charge money for a third party add-on without the express written and legally authorised permission of CA, Activision, Sega.

What we do have to do is Acknowledge bits and bobs we borrow from other mods,
courtesy is to ask permission or advise author/creator that we like their unit/review panel pics/map so much we are going to make another mod with their work in it

then we put in the credits "such-and-such" was created by so-and-so" for their "whats-its-name" mod for rome/medieval etc.

for example
Samurai Wars mod is built on my Shogun Mod,
I created Shogun Mod, others took the work and expanded it to make Samurai Wars,
in turn i am taking Samurai Wars and expanding it again and am going to call it "Samurai"


if RTR want to borrow bits of EB all the better for EB (guys, they like your work), it is polite for RTR to mention EB in the credits,
if they fail to do so then NOTIFY ME and copies of RTR hosted on sites within my reach will have the read me files edited by me to include credits for EB,
and vice versa,
if EB borrows bits from RTR then one would expect RTR to be mentioned in the credits of EB.

i dont expect to have to add anything to the readme files,

i am sure two hard core groups who are both passionate about doing their bit to improve the communities appreciation of Rome by working on two excellent mods will find some way to share what they learn about the mechanics of the game and will be happy to share their creations,
units, scripts, buildings, maps etc etc
to make BOTH mods that much better


in all honesty you cannot tell me you have never gone and read each others forums to see what they are up to, what have they found about the game system and mechanics that can be utilised to improve your own mod,
have they made any graphics , skins etc that can be utilised to enhance your own mods,

as long as you tell each other,
"hey i like that, thats good, we include that in "xyz" mod too!"
should be no worries


remember you all working to make Rome a better game

cheers,
B.

[Steppe Merc]

Thank you for moving it. Khelvan said for some reason that he was unable to lock it, and said that his moderator powers were acting weird...
But yeah, that thread needed to go (and I say that as a member of EB).

[bouis]

I don't think it would have taken you as long to read the thread as it did to post that confused reply.

There has never been an issue with RTR taking anything from EB (how could we? what would we take?).

But when we release RTR 6.0 on Friday, the EB guys are, as always, free to use any of our ideas, implimentations, or media they like.

[Idomeneas]

I don't think it would have taken you as long to read the thread as it did to post that confused reply.

There has never been an issue with RTR taking anything from EB (how could we? what would we take?).

But when we release RTR 6.0 on Friday, the EB guys are, as always, free to use any of our ideas, implimentations, or media they like.

gah! you know how childish you sound? really now even if you are right. Not us they. Same goes for any EBmember answers in that manner. Whats going on with you people?? you forgot what this is about?

A GAME!!!!!

Now better find a way to cooperate and exchange views instead gossiping like girls. Some of you need a walk in the real world i think. Like the guy(Simetrical) who responses to any accusation against him with posts like the Socrates apollogy. I dont care if he s right or wrong. I find rediculus that kind of frustration over a mode for a pc game. Dont you have real problems???

Now can we have some real threads about interesting stuff?
thank you

[King of Atlantis]

bouis, i wouldnt diss barocca. Here we respect our admins.

[Chilly5]

well, this is comunitcation between real people, so i guess it's just like having a long distance argument about what TV channel is best.

[TheTank]

[QUOTE=Idomeneas]gah! you know how childish you sound? really now even if you are right. Not us they. Same goes for any EBmember answers in that manner. Whats going on with you people?? you forgot what this is about?/QUOTE]

I agree with you Idomeneas, it is just a mod for a computer game...
I think weekly previews are far more interesting than EB-versus-RTR wars..
I like to see Iberia or whatever it will be called by EB!!

[Malrubius]

Well, for those who are passionate about history, making an historical mod (any mod, not just EB ) is more than just modding a game, but various serious things, like honoring the past, or trying to educate and inform the present. Looking at it that way, it should be understandable why some people get emotional and worked up about these things.

I can't describe myself as passionate about history (maybe an enthusiast), but it takes a certain degree of seriousness to devote hundreds or even thousands of hours to modding a game. It can be taken too far, like anything else. And I've definitely been guilty of that.

[barocca]

when we release RTR 6.0 on Friday, the EB guys are, as always, free to use any of our ideas, implimentations, or media they like.

:-)
B.

[KingOfTheIsles]

Ah, someone else appreciates that. Hats off to Bouis for his wit, if nothing else.

[Simetrical]

Dammit, I wanted to read people's responses to my posts. That's what locking is for, so people can read the flames directed at them without being able to continue the war . . .

Some of you need a walk in the real world i think. Like the guy(Simetrical) who responses to any accusation against him with posts like the Socrates apollogy.

Why, thank you!

-Simetrical

[ScionTheWorm]

actually, because we are making game mods for a product Owned by CA what we make is Freeware and most likely subject to GNU Open Source

no-one can charge money for a third party add-on without the express written and legally authorised permission of CA, Activision, Sega.

What we do have to do is Acknowledge bits and bobs we borrow from other mods,
courtesy is to ask permission or advise author/creator that we like their unit/review panel pics/map so much we are going to make another mod with their work in it

Can't we license it as we want, as long as we don't charge money for it? GNU Open Source actually allows commercial use as long as you offer the source code. I would believe you can decide for yourself if you're going to allow borrowing from your mod, and it would be a legal isse if someone violated that license. I would also believe that the license would require the user to have bought the game.

[Duke John]

if they fail to do so then NOTIFY ME and copies of RTR hosted on sites within my reach will have the read me files edited by me to include credits for EB

I want to point out that while mod artists cannot charge any money for their work, it is still copyrighted. You cannot just take skins or other graphics from another mod and put them into your mod without their approval. And because of that I find your solution, barocca, a bit too forgiving. Artists put alot of blood and tears while researching and drawing. And IMO if people have the nerve to steal the work of others then there should be other consequences then just editing the readme.

[Big_John]

maybe this thread will get moved too!

then barocca will make a thread, what happened to "what happened to".

[barocca]

maybe this thread will get moved too!

then barocca will make a thread, what happened to "what happened to".

hmm...tempting...