PETA asks town of Fishkill, NY to change name

[PanzerJaeger]

Yea, it was poetic justice in its funniest sense.

And the French didnt kill anyone. The hippy who died was safe and then went back to try and get his crap off the boat and couldnt swim.

[Papewaio]

Yea, it was poetic justice in its funniest sense.

And the French didnt kill anyone. The hippy who died was safe and then went back to try and get his crap off the boat and couldnt swim.

So you support terrorist attacks against civilians.

The people on board the Rainbow Warrior normally would have been asleep when the limpet mine went off. However due to a birthday party being held they where on the upper decks. The Portugese man who was murdered died because he went downstairs to get his camera equipment to get his camera after the first blast, when the second one went off destroying the deck he was on. If things had gone to plan the majority of people on board would have been murdered. Only luck saved lives, not the decision of the terrorists.

You are condoning the murder of civilians by governments going into other nations to censure free speech.

[PanzerJaeger]

So you support terrorist attacks against civilians.

Greenpeace are not civilians. If anything, they are terrorists themselves.

The people on board the Rainbow Warrior normally would have been asleep when the limpet mine went off. However due to a birthday party being held they where on the upper decks. The Portugese man who was murdered died because he went downstairs to get his camera equipment to get his camera after the first blast, when the second one went off destroying the deck he was on. If things had gone to plan the majority of people on board would have been murdered. Only luck saved lives, not the decision of the terrorists.

It is well documented that the french agents did not attempt to take any lives and its not really murder as the hippy didnt have the sense to get off the boat, but in fact went back in.

You are condoning the murder of civilians by governments going into other nations to censure free speech.

I am condoning nothing. I am commenting on the irony that a group who was planning on sabotaging the french got sabotaged themselves.

[Papewaio]

A) You are condoning murder when you state:

Yea, it was poetic justice in its funniest sense.

And the French didnt kill anyone. The hippy who died was safe and then went back to try and get his crap off the boat and couldnt swim.

You think it was funny that he died because you disagree with his political stance.

B)

Greenpeace are not civilians. If anything, they are terrorists themselves.

You are using more hyperbole then Greenpeace does with respect to the environment. Stuff the facts, just make up sh!t as you go along. When has Greenpeace ever used weapons, killed military or civilians or blown things up?

C)

It is well documented that the french agents did not attempt to take any lives and its not really murder as the hippy didnt have the sense to get off the boat, but in fact went back in.

Documented by whom, do you have any of these facts? The Limpet mines where timed to go off during the normal sleeping times of those on board. This could have resulted in all on board being murdered.

D)

I am commenting on the irony that a group who was planning on sabotaging the french got sabotaged themselves.

They were going to protest against a highly arrogant government that was blowing up nuclear weapons in a coral atoll. A coral atoll is not a particularly stable place to store nuclear waste. It is a normal part of democracy to allow protests. It is a disgusting state of affairs to blow up a ship to sow terror to stop people voicing their disgust about this abuse.

Your stance is absolutely disgusting and offensive.

[PanzerJaeger]

You think it was funny that he died because you disagree with his political stance.

I think it is funny greenpeace got screwed with just like they do to people all over the world.

The man's death is not what is funny about the incident to me, but he was hardly an innocent civilian.

You are using more hyperbole then Greenpeace does with respect to the environment. Stuff the facts, just make up sh!t as you go along. When has Greenpeace ever used weapons, killed military or civilians or blown things up?

Greenpeace feels it has the right to traipse around the world and sabotage private industries and groups of people because it disagrees with them. They ignore the law, private property, and their own integrity to hurt honest working people in their crusades.

Just last month they broke into the Land Rover factory and handcuffed themselves to the cars. This loss of productivity cost the company thousands of pounds which will come out of the pockets of the workers and the business.

Innocent civilians? Hardly..

Documented by whom, do you have any of these facts? The Limpet mines where timed to go off during the normal sleeping times of those on board. This could have resulted in all on board being murdered.

Via Wiki-

In 2005, Admiral Pierre Lacoste, head of DGSE at the time, admitted that the aim of the operation had not been to kill, and that the death weighed heavily on his conscience.

They were going to protest against a highly arrogant government that was blowing up nuclear weapons in a coral atoll. A coral atoll is not a particularly stable place to store nuclear waste. It is a normal part of democracy to allow protests. It is a disgusting state of affairs to blow up a ship to sow terror to stop people voicing their disgust about this abuse.

Via Wiki-

During previous nuclear tests at Mururoa, protest ships had been boarded by French commandos after sailing inside the shipping exclusion zone around the atoll. With the 1985 tests, Greenpeace had intended to monitor the impact of nuclear tests and place protesters on the island to do this. The French Government infiltrated the New Zealand organisation and discovered these plans.

Protestors do not have free reign of the world.

This is what greenpeace does. They incite violence towards themselves by trying to ruin things they dont agree with and then play the victim.

Your stance is absolutely disgusting and offensive.

My stance? Its not as if I support what happened or would allow it to happen again. I simply find it ironic that such a group had happen to them exactly what they do to others. I have no dog in the fight, im just an observer.

On the other hand, your stance is absolutely biased and ignorant of the actually reality of the situation.

[Papewaio]

I think it is funny greenpeace got screwed with just like they do to people all over the world.

The man's death is not what is funny about the incident to me, but he was hardly an innocent civilian.

Show me how he was a terrorist? Last time I looked a camera was not a weapon.

Greenpeace feels it has the right to traipse around the world and sabotage private industries and groups of people because it disagrees with them. They ignore the law, private property, and their own integrity to hurt honest working people in their crusades.

Just last month they broke into the Land Rover factory and handcuffed themselves to the cars. This loss of productivity cost the company thousands of pounds which will come out of the pockets of the workers and the business.

Innocent civilians? Hardly..

Definitly civilians, they are not using weapons and they are clearly identifying themselves. You are equating them with terrorists which is hyperbole. In what way can you compare them with Hamas, AQ, JI or the IRA?

Greenpeace does not go around killing people. Nor do I see how you can justify murdering people because they have caused a loss of productivity.

Protestors do not have free reign of the world.

This is what greenpeace does. They incite violence towards themselves by trying to ruin things they dont agree with and then play the victim.

They did not escalte the violence, they use peaceful means of protest. You are not giving people much of an oppourtunity to protest if they are not even allowed to peacefully do so.

Do as we say or we will kill you is not a democratic stance.

My stance? Its not as if I support what happened or would allow it to happen again. I simply find it ironic that such a group had happen to them exactly what they do to others. I have no dog in the fight, im just an observer.

On the other hand, your stance is absolutely biased and ignorant of the actually reality of the situation.

As a Kiwi, I am against the idea that another nation can go to New Zealand and murder people who are using non violent forms of protest.

I do not see the irony, they do not go around and blow people up.

[PanzerJaeger]

Show me how he was a terrorist? Last time I looked a camera was not a weapon.

He associated himself with an organization that terrorizes private and public industries on a regular basis.

Definitly civilians, they are not using weapons and they are clearly identifying themselves. You are equating them with terrorists which is hyperbole. In what way can you compare them with Hamas, AQ, JI or the IRA?

They break the law and hurt innocent people to force their opinions on everyone else. They are certainly not violent terrorists, but that doesnt mean they dont scare people trying to earn a living by shutting down businesses.

Greenpeace does not go around killing people. Nor do I see how you can justify murdering people because they have caused a loss of productivity.

They cause the business to lose money which affects all the workers. Those people, unlike Greenpeace terrorists, have to feed families and dont rely on misguided donators.

They did not escalte the violence, they use peaceful means of protest. You are not giving people much of an oppourtunity to protest if they are not even allowed to peacefully do so.

They broke the law in the past and had plans to break it the next morning. Protesting does not equate to breaking the law.

Do as we say or we will kill you is not a democratic stance.

Im not defending the French. I think it was a rather stupid way to go about combating ecoterrorism.. but I have no sympathy for Greenpeace either. The whole pathetic situation of France Vs Greenpeace is quite funny to me.

As a Kiwi, I am against the idea that another nation can go to New Zealand and murder people who are using non violent forms of protest.

I completely agree. I would certainly not support this if I knew it was going to happen. But as an observer, i see no innocent parties in this, and find it quite funny that Greenpeace was treated just as they treat everyone else.

I do not see the irony, they do not go around and blow people up.

But they do go around and try and ruin the lives of people they dont agree with. The side of the story you dont see is the innocent workers on the oil rigs who lose their jobs because Greenpeace wont leave them alone. The corporate fat cats dont feel the effect.

[Beirut]

Greenpeace are not civilians. If anything, they are terrorists themselves.

Indeed.

Imagine the nerve of those terrorists for drawing attention to companies that dump thousands of tons of toxic waste into river and lakes killing hundreds and thousands with cancers and other diseases.

Imagine the nerve of those terrorists for trying to stop people from killing nearly extinct whales to make dog food and perfume.

Imagine the nerve of those terrorists for protesting against chemical testing on dogs and monkeys, where they are rendered immovable and have things like oven cleaner and nail polish remover sprayed in their eyes to see how long it takes them to go blind.

On the other hand, thank God for Bush and the righteous oil companies and the benevolent chemical companies for knowing better and treating us as we should really be treated.

Goodness knows companies Exxon and Union Carbide are run by God fearing, charitable people.

Really, it's true.

"You are getting sleepy... sleepy..."

[InsaneApache]

@ PJ I always thought your political stance rather extream. Things in Jagerworld are only black and white. I have to say old chap that you have plumbed new depths with this one. Greenpeace are terrorists!!!!...err no they are not. IRA are terrorist. ETA are terrorists. UDA are terrorists. etc etc etc...now the fundamental point with these types of organisations is that it is THEY who blow people up....on this occasion it was the French government who acted like a terrorist organisation........

dear dear me.

[Ja'chyra]

Don't think you'll get much support on this one PJ.

ci·vil·ian ( P ) Pronunciation Key (s-vlyn)
n.
A person following the pursuits of civil life, especially one who is not an active member of the military or police.
A specialist in Roman or civil law.

As I can't remember anyone from Greenpeace called Major C Monkeygofree marching in parade formetion while conducting weapons drill then I guess they are civilians after all, Though I would have thought the "Peace" on "Greenpeace" was also a clue.

The Portugese man who was murdered died because he went downstairs to get his camera equipment to get his camera after the first blast, when the second one went off destroying the deck he was on.

Sounds like murder to me, but

In 2005, Admiral Pierre Lacoste, head of DGSE at the time, admitted that the aim of the operation had not been to kill, and that the death weighed heavily on his conscience.

As we all know, it's not a crime unless you meant it, no wait..........it's not a crime if you regret it after, no wait...............

It sounds to me like you are saying that governments have the right to kill anyone that they decide has been objecting about their practices a bit too much, even if they are foreign nationals. Oh, and don't worry about the law, I am the law In another thread you say:

I disagree with many of my fellow conservatives on this point. I think democracy is messy. I would much rather have a ruling class based on the military.

So what you want is a military dictatorship that will enfoce their rule with whatever means they see as necessary, even to killings? Maybe you should move to Zimbabwe.

Edit: Sorry for going off subject, back on course again.

I think PETA are just a bit strange, for example

spokeswoman for the group's fish empathy project

Missing out the fact that spokesman is not gender specific, fish empathy project?????

the group will give $15,000 worth of soy-based fish products to local schools

If you take the fish out of a fish dish is it still fish? (Try saying that fast 5 times) If you replace the meat with soy would it then be a soy finger, or a soy and ale pie? Not quite as appetising.

Oh well, I suppose it gives them something to do.

[Efrem]

Green Peace, as all greeny types are scum.

Peta deserve to be put in a cage and mocked. Call me a human supremist but a human life is worth more than an animal life.

[Oaty]

You thread hijackers, hmmmm guess that makes ya terrorists Anyways make a new thread for greenpeace discussion or lay off the thread.


Anyways as far as PETA goes there main HQ is only 10 miles from where I live. And every year a radio station hosts an annual fishing tournamant, funny how it is always right in front of the offfice. Maybe I should actually go to thier next tournament.

[Beirut]

Green Peace, as all greeny types are scum.Peta deserve to be put in a cage and mocked. Call me a human supremist but a human life is worth more than an animal life.

No one is denying that a human's life should be put before an animals life, but it can be argued that human values put us in a moral position to say certain things are bad. Such as torturing animals with chemical tests and dumping toxic chemicals into the water supply.

If you would be so kind, explain unto me why you would write that the people who dump toxic waste into rivers are better than the people who protest against it. You called the "greeny types" scum but not the sludge dumpers.