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    Quote Originally Posted by BILL MOYERS
    The story I’ve come to share with you goes to the core of our belief that the quality of democracy and the quality of journalism are deeply entwined. I can tell this story because I’ve been living it. As Dr. Wilson said, it’s been in the news this week, including more tax on a single journalist, yours truly, by the right wing media and their friends at the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. As you know, CPB was established almost forty years ago to set broad policy for public broadcasting and to be a firewall between political influence and program content. What some on its board are now doing today, led by its chairman, Kenneth Tomlinson, is too important, too disturbing, and yes, even dangerous for a gathering like this not to address it. We’re seeing unfold a contemporary example of the age old ambition of power and ideology to squelch -- to punish the journalist who tell the stories that make princes and priests uncomfortable.

    First, let me assure you that I take in stride attacks by the radical right wingers who have not given up demonizing me although I retired over six months ago. They’ve been after me for years now, and I suspect they will be stomping on my grave to make sure I don’t come back from the dead. I should point out to them that one of our boys pulled it off some two thousand years ago after the Pharisees, the Sadducees and Caesar surrogates thought they had shut him up for good. I won’t be expecting that kind of miracle, but I should put my detractors on notice, they might just compel me out of the rocking chair and back into the anchor chair.

    Who are they? I mean the people obsessed with control using the government to threaten and intimidate; I mean the people who are hollowing out middle class security even as they enlist the sons and daughters of the working class to make sure Ahmad Chalabi winds up controlling Iraq’s oil; I mean the people who turn faith-based initiatives into Karl Rove’s slush fund; who encourage the pious to look heavenward and pray so as not to see the long arm of privilege and power picking their pockets; I mean the people who squelch free speech in an effort to obliterate dissent and consolidate their orthodoxy into the official view of reality from which any deviation becomes unpatriotic heresy. That’s who I mean. And if that’s editorializing, so be it. A free press is one where it’s okay to state the conclusion you’re led to by the evidence.

    One reason I’m in hot water is because my colleagues and I at “NOW” didn’t play by the conventional rules of Beltway journalism. Those rules divide the world into democrats and republicans, liberals and conservatives and allow journalists to pretend they have done their job if, instead of reporting the truth behind the news, they merely give each side an opportunity to spin the news.

    Jonathan Mermin writes about this in a recent essay in World Policy Journal. You’ll also want to read his book Debating War and Peace: Media Coverage of US Intervention in the Post-Vietnam Era. Mermin quotes David Ignatius of The Washington Post on why the deep interests of the American public are so poorly served by Beltway journalism. “The rules of the game,” says Ignatius, “make it hard for us to tee up on an issue without a news peg.” He offers a case in point: the debacle of America’s occupation of Iraq. “If Senator So-and-so hasn’t criticized postwar planning for Iraq,” says Ignatius, “it’s hard for a reporter to write a story about that.”

    Mermin also quotes public television’s Jim Lehrer, whom I greatly respect, acknowledging that unless an official says something is so, it isn’t news. Why were journalists not discussing the occupation of Iraq? “Because,” says Jim Lehrer, “the word ‘occupation’ was never mentioned in the run up to the war. Washington talked about the war as a war of liberation, not a war of occupation. So as a consequence, those of us in journalism,” says Lehrer, “never even looked at the issue of occupation.” “In other words,” says Jonathan Mermin, “if the government isn’t talking about it, we don’t report it.” He concludes, “Lehrer’s somewhat jarring declaration, one of many recent admissions by journalists that their reporting failed to prepare the public for the calamitous occupation that has followed the liberation of Iraq, reveals just how far the actual practice of American journalism has deviated from the First Amendment idea of a press that is independent of government.”

    Take the example, also cited by Mermin, of Charles Hanley. Hanley is a Pulitzer Prize-winning reporter for the Associated Press whose 2003 story of the torture of Iraqis in American prisons before a U.S. Army report and photographs documenting the abuse surfaced, was ignored by major American newspapers. Hanley attributes this lack of interest to the fact, (quote), “it was not an officially-sanctioned story that begins with a handout from an official source. Furthermore, Iraqis recounting their own personal experience of Abu Ghraib simply did not have the credibility with Beltway journalists of American officials denying that such things happened.”

    Judith Miller of The New York Times, among others, relied on that credibility, relied on that credibility of official but unnamed sources when she served essentially as the government stenographer for claims that Iraq possessed weapons of mass destruction. So the rules of the game permit Washington officials to set the agenda for journalism, leaving the press all too simply to recount what officials say instead of subjecting their words and deeds to critical scrutiny. Instead of acting as filters for readers and viewers sifting the truth from the propaganda, reporters and anchors attentively transcribe both sides of the spin invariably failing to provide context, background or any sense of which claims hold up and which are misleading.

    I decided long ago that this wasn’t healthy for democracy. I came to see that news is what people want to keep hidden, and everything else is publicity. In my documentaries, whether on the Watergate scandal thirty years ago, or the Iran-Contra conspiracy twenty years ago, or Bill Clinton’s fundraising scandals ten years ago, or five years ago the chemical industry’s long and despicable cover up of its cynical and unspeakable withholding of critical data about its toxic products, I realized that investigative journalism could not be a collaboration between the journalist and the subject. Objectivity was not satisfied by two opposing people offering competing opinions, leaving the viewer to split the difference. I came to believe that objective journalism means describing the object being reported on, including the little fibs and fantasies, as well as the big lie of people in power.

    In no way – in no way does this permit journalists to make accusations and allegations. It means, instead, making sure that your reporting and your conclusions can be nailed to the post with confirming evidence.

    This is always hard to do, but it’s never been harder. Without a trace of irony, the powers that be have appropriated the Newspeak vernacular of George Orwell’s 1984. They give us a program vowing no child will be left behind, while cutting funds for educating disadvantaged children; they give us legislation cheerily calling for clear skies and healthy forests that give us neither, while turning over our public lands to the energy industry. In Orwell’s 1984 the character Syme, one of the writers of that totalitarian society’s dictionary, explains to the protagonist, Winston, “Don’t you see? Don’t you see that the whole aim of Newspeak is to narrow the range of thought? Has it ever occurred to you, Winston, that by the year 2050 at the very latest, not a single human being will be alive who could understand such a conversation as we’re having right now. The whole climate of thought,” he said, “will be different. In fact, there will be no thought as we understand it now. Orthodoxy means not thinking, not needing to think. Orthodoxy is unconsciousness.”

    Hear me: an unconscious people, an indoctrinated people, a people fed only partisan information and opinion that confirm their own bias, a people made morbidly obese in mind and spirit by the junk food of propaganda is less inclined to put up a fight, ask questions and be skeptical. And just as a democracy can die of too many lies, that kind of orthodoxy can kill us, too.

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    I grew up in the South, where the truth about slavery, race and segregation had been driven from the pulpits, driven from the classrooms and driven from the news rooms. It took a bloody Civil War to bring the truth home, and then it took another hundred years for the truth to make us free. Then I served in the Johnson administration. Imbued with Cold War orthodoxy and confident that might makes right, we circled the wagons, listened only to each other and pursued policies the evidence couldn’t carry. The results were devastating for Vietnamese and Americans.

    I brought all of this to the task when PBS asked me after 9/11 to start a new weekly broadcast. They wanted us to make it different from anything else on the air, commercial or public broadcasting. They asked us to tell stories no one else was reporting and to offer a venue to people who might not otherwise be heard. That wasn’t a hard sell. I had been deeply impressed by studies published in two leading peer-reviewed scholarly journals by a team of researchers led by Vassar College’s William Hoynes, who was here at this conference until this morning when he had to leave early. Their extensive research on the content of public television over a decade found that political discussions on our public affairs programs generally included a limited set of voices that offer a narrow range of perspectives on current issues and events. Instead of far-ranging discussions and debates, the kind that might engage viewers as citizens and not simply as audiences, this research found that public affairs programs on PBS stations were populated by the standard set of elite news sources, where the government officials and Washington journalists talking about political strategy or corporate sources talking about stock prices or the economy from the investors’ viewpoint.

    Public television unfortunately all too often was offering the same kind of discussions and a similar brand of insider discourse that is featured regularly on commercial television. They just weren’t so noisy. Who didn’t appear was also revealing. In contrast to the conservative mantra that public television routinely featured the voices of antiestablishment critics, the studies found that alternative perspectives were rare on public television and were effectively drowned out by the stream of government and corporate views that represented the vast majority of sources on our broadcasts. The so-called experts who got most of the face time came primarily from mainstream news organizations and Washington think tanks rather than diverse interests. Economic news, for example, was almost entirely refracted through the views of business people, investors and business journalists. Voices outside the corporate Wall Street universe, nonprofessional workers, labor representatives, consumer advocates and the general public were rarely heard.

    In sum, these two studies concluded, the economic coverage was so narrow that the views and the activities of most citizens became irrelevant. All of this went against the Broadcasting Act of 1967 that created the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. I know. I was there. As a young policy assistant to President Johnson, I attended in 1964 my first meeting to discuss the future of public broadcasting in the office of the Commissioner of Education. I know firsthand that the Public Broadcasting Act was meant to provide an alternative to commercial television and to reflect the diversity of the American people.

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    We knew that the success of NOW’s journalism was creating a backlash in Washington. The more compelling our journalism, the angrier became the radical right of the Republican Party. That’s because the one thing they loathe more than liberals is the truth. And the quickest way to be damned by them as liberal is to tell the truth.

    This is the point of my story. Ideologues don’t want you to go beyond the typical labels of left and right because people may start believing you. They embrace a world view that cannot be proven wrong because they will admit no evidence to the contrary. They want your reporting to validate their belief system and when it doesn’t, God forbid. Never mind that their own stars were getting a fair shake on “NOW,” Gigot, Viguerie, David Keen of the American Conservative Union, Steven Moore of the Club for Growth. Our reporting – our reporting was giving the radical right fits because it wasn’t the party line. It wasn’t that we were getting it wrong, either. Only three times in three years did we err factually, and in each case we corrected those errors as soon as we confirmed their inaccuracy. I believe our broadcast was the best researched on public broadcasting.

    And the problem was that we were telling stories that partisans in power didn’t want told, and we were getting it right, not rightwing. Let me tell you something – and we can argue about this at some other time – I’ve always thought the American eagle needed a left wing and a right wing. The right wing would see to it that economic interests had their legitimate concerns addressed. The left wing would see to it that ordinary people were included in the bargain. And both would keep the great bird on course. But with two right wings or two left wings, it’s no longer an eagle, and it’s going to crash.

    Now, in the interest of full disclosure, I have to tell you that my occasional -- and I didn’t do them that often -- my occasional commentaries got to them, as well. Although apparently he never watched the broadcast -- I guess he couldn’t take the diversity -- Senator Trent Lott came out squealing like a stuck pig when, after the mid-term elections in 2002, I described what was likely to happen now that all three branches of government were about to be controlled by one party dominated by the religious, corporate and political right. Instead of congratulating the winners for their election victory as some network broadcasters did or celebrating their victory as Fox, The Washington Times, The Weekly Standard, Talk Radio and other partisan Republican journalists did, I provided a little independent analysis of what the victory meant. And I did it the old-fashioned way. I looked at the record, took the winners at their word and drew the logical conclusions that they would use power as they had said for twenty-five years they would. And then, of course, I set it forth in my usual modest Texas way.

    Events since then have confirmed the accuracy of what I said. I had our research team, and I worked very much with them, put together with mainstream news clippings to support every sentence in that particular post-election analysis. But then strange things began to happen. Friends in Washington called to say that they had heard of muttered threats that the PBS reauthorization would be held up unless Moyers is dealt with. The Chairman of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting, Kenneth Tomlinson, was said to be quite agitated. I didn’t know it at the time, but within two months after taking over, three months after taking over, he wrote a letter to PBS complaining about the unbalanced “NOW.”

    Apparently there was apoplexy in the right wing area, particularly when I closed the broadcast one Friday night by putting a flag in my lapel and said – well, here’s exactly what I said. Here’s a copy of what I said: “I wore my flag tonight, first time. Until now I haven’t thought it necessary to display a little metallic icon of patriotism for everyone to see. It was enough to vote, pay my taxes, perform my civic duties, speak my mind and do my best to raise our kids to be good Americans. Sometimes I would offer a small prayer of gratitude that I had been born in a country whose institutions sustain me, whose armed forces protected me and whose ideals inspired me. I offered my heart’s affection in return. It no more occurred to me to flaunt the flag on my chest than it did to pin my mother’s picture on my lapel to prove her son’s love. Mother knew where I stood. So does my country. I even tuck a valentine in my tax returns on April 15th. So what’s this doing here? I put it on to take it back. The flag’s been hijacked and turned into a logo, the trademark – the trademark of a monopoly on patriotism. On most Sunday morning talk shows, official chests appear adorned with the flag as if it’s the Good Housekeeping seal of approval. During the State of the Union, did you notice Bush and Cheney wearing the flag? How come? No administration’s patriotism is ever in doubt, only its policies. And the flag bestows no immunity from error. When I see flags sprouting on official labels, I think of the time in China when I saw Mao’s Little Red Book of orthodoxy on every official’s desk, omnipresent and unread.

    ”But more galling than anything are all those moralistic ideologues in Washington sporting the flag in their lapel while writing books and running web sites and publishing magazines attacking dissenters as un-American. They are people whose ardor for war grows disproportionately to their distance from the fighting. They’re in the same league as those swarms of corporate lobbyists wearing flags and prowling Capitol Hill for tax breaks, even as they call for spending more on war.

    ”So I put this on as a modest riposte to men with flags in their lapels who shoot missiles from the safety of Washington think tanks. or argue that sacrifice is good as long as they don’t have to make it, or approve of bribing governments to join the ‘Coalition of the Willing.’ I put it on to remind myself that not every patriot thinks we should do to the people of Baghdad what bin Laden did to us. The flag belongs to the country, not to the government, and it reminds me that it’s not un-American to think that war, except in self defense, is a failure of moral imagination, political nerve and diplomacy. Come to think of it, standing up to your government can mean standing up for your country.”

    That did it. That did it. You should have heard Ann Coulter at the next conservative convention. I think that’s where she got the title for her book, her book about Democrats and treason. That did it. And our continued reporting on overpricing at Halliburton, chicanery on K Street and the heavy, if divinely-guided hand, of Tom DeLay.

    When Senator Lott protested that the Corporation for Public Broadcasting has not seemed willing to deal with Bill Moyers, a new member of the board, a Republican fundraiser named Cheryl Halpern, who had been appointed by President Bush, agreed that CPB needed more power to do just that sort of thing. She left no doubt about the kind of penalty she would like to see imposed on the malefactors.

    Now, hear me again: as rumors circulated about all this, I asked to meet with the entire CBS board – I wanted to – CPB Board, thank you. I wanted to hear for myself what they were saying. I thought it would be helpful for someone like me who had been present at the creation and part of the system for almost forty years, to talk about how CPB had been intended to be a heat shield to protect public broadcasters from exactly this kind of intimidation. After all, I’d been there at the time of Richard Nixon’s attempted coup. In those days, public television had been really feisty and independent and often targeted for attacks. A Woody Allen special that poked fun at Henry Kissinger in the Nixon administration had actually been cancelled. Jon Stewart wouldn’t have stood a chance if he had started his career on PBS. The White House had been so outraged over a documentary called “The Banks and the Poor” about discrimination, about rich financial institutions against the poor, that PBS was driven to adopt new guidelines. That didn’t satisfy Nixon, and when public television hired two NBC reporters, the radicals Robert McNeil and Sander Vanocur to co-anchor some new broadcast, it was, for Nixon, the last straw. According to White House memos at the time, he was determined, (quote), “to get the left wing commentators who are cutting us up off public television at once; indeed, yesterday, if possible.” Sound familiar?

    Nixon vetoed the authorization for CPB with a message written in part by his sidekick and soul mate, Pat Buchanan, who castigated Vanocur, McNeil, “Washington Week in Review,” “Black Journal” and Bill Moyers as, (quote), “unbalanced against the administration.” It is familiar. I always knew Nixon would be back, again and again. I just didn’t know that this time he would ask to be Chairman of the Corporation for Public Broadcasting.

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    Buchanan and Nixon succeeded in cutting CPB funding for all public affairs programming, except for “Black Journal.” They knocked out most of your funding for the National Public Affairs Center for Television, otherwise known as NPACT. And they voted to take away from the PBS staff the ultimate responsibility for the production of programming.

    But in those days – and this is what I wanted to share with Kenneth Tomlinson, who I have never met, and his colleagues on the CPB board -- in those days there were still Republicans in America who did not march in ideological lockstep and who stood on principle against politicizing public television. The chairman of the public station in Dallas was an industrialist named Ralph Rogers, a Republican but no party hack, who saw the White House intimidation as an assault on freedom of the press and led a nationwide effort to stop it. The chairman at the time of the CPB was a former Republican Congressman, Thomas Curtis, from here in St. Louis – from here in Missouri, who was also a principled man. He resigned, claiming White House interference. Within a few months, the crisis was over. CPB maintained its independence, PBS grew in strength, and Richard Nixon would face impeachment and resign for violating the public trust and not just public broadcasting. Paradoxically, the very -- talk about justice. In fact, I once asked a wise – a friend of mine, a wise old man in Washington, what he had learned from life, could he reduce it to one sentence? And he said, “Yes. There ain’t no justice in the world. Now, get on with it.”

    But here was cosmic justice. The very Public Affairs Center for Television that Nixon had tried to kill, NPACT, put PBS on the map by re-broadcasting in prime time each day’s Watergate hearings, drawing huge ratings night after night and establishing PBS as an ally of democracy. We should still be doing that sort of thing. C-SPAN, bless its heart, shouldn’t be the only channel that lets us see how democracy works.

    That was thirty-three years ago and I thought the current CPB board would like to hear and talk about the importance of standing up to political interference. I was wrong. They wouldn’t meet with me. I tried three times and failed three times, and it was all downhill after that. I was naive, I guess. I simply never imagined that any CPB chairman, Democrat or Republican, would cross the line from resisting White House pressure to carrying out for the White House. But that’s what Kenneth Tomlinson has been doing. On Fox News this week he denied he’s carrying out a White House mandate or that he’s ever had any conversation with any Bush administration official about PBS. But The New York Times reports that he enlisted Karl Rove to help kill a proposal that would have put on the CPB board people with experience in local radio and television.

    It was also reported that on the recommendation of administration officials, he hired a White House flack -- I know the genre -- named Mary Catherine Andrews, as a senior staff member at CPB. While she was still reporting to Karl Rove at the White House, she set up CPB’s new ombudsman office and had a hand in hiring the two people who will fill it, one of them who once worked for Tomlinson, the other a very respected journalist. But this is an anomaly. A political organization can’t have an ombudsman. CPB is not a journalistic or newsgathering organization. PBS can have one. WGBH can have one. WNET can have one. But for a political organization to have two ombudsmen or one ombudsman or a dozen? I would like to give Mr. Tomlinson the benefit of the doubt, but I can’t.

    According to a book written about the Reader’s Digest when he was with – when he was its Editor-in-Chief, he surrounded himself with other right wingers, a pattern he’s now following for the staff at the Corporation for Public Broadcasting. I’ve already mentioned Miss Andrews. Well, for Acting President he hired Ken Ferree from the FCC who was Michael Powell’s enforcer when Powell was deciding how to go about allowing the big media companies to get even bigger. One of Ferree’s jobs, as Jeff Chester will say in his book coming out in the next several months, was to engage in tactics designed to dismiss any serious objection to more media monopolies. And according to Eric Alterman, Ferree was even more contemptuous than Michael Powell of public participation in the process of determining media ownership. It was Ferree who decided to issue a protective order designed to keep secret the market research on which the Republican majority on the commission based their vote to permit greater media consolidation.

    Now, let me say, it is not likely that with a guy like that as the chief operating officer of the CPB you’re going to find any public television producer say, “Hey, let’s do something on how big media is affecting democracy.” Because what this leads to is preventive capitulation.

    As everyone knows, Mr. Tomlinson has put up a considerable sum of money, allegedly over five million dollars, your money, for the new weekly broadcast featuring Paul Gigot and the editorial board of The Wall Street Journal. Now, Gigot is a smart journalist, a sharp editor and a fine fellow. I had him on “NOW” several times, and I even proposed to PBS that he become a regular contributor on our show, the conversation of democracy, remember? All stripes. But I confess to some puzzlement that The Wall Street Journal, which in the past editorialized to cut PBS off the public tap, is now being subsidized by American taxpayers when its parent company, Dow Jones, had revenues in the first quarter of this year, of four hundred million dollars. I thought public television was supposed to be an alternative to commercial media, not a funder of it.

    But in this weird deal, you get a glimpse of the kind of programming Mr. Tomlinson apparently seems to prefer. Alone of the big major newspapers, The Wall Street Journal, has no op-ed page where different opinions can compete with its right wing editorials. The Journal’s PBS broadcast is just as homogenous: right wingers talking to each other. I think, Bob McChesney, you ought to demand equal time for Katrina vanden Heuvel and the editors of The Nation, or for Amy Goodman’s Democracy Now!, now there’s an idea for you. You want public broadcasting to be balanced against all these elite establishment voices that get heard? Get Amy on public television.

    We didn’t know this a year ago. We just learned it from The New York Times two weeks ago that last year Mr. Tomlinson had spend ten thousand dollars to hire a contractor who would watch my show and report on political bias. That’s right. He spent ten thousand dollars of your money to hire a guy to watch “NOW” to find out who my guests were and what my stories were. Ten thousand dollars. Gee, Ken, for two dollars and fifty cents a week, you could pick up a copy of TV Guide on the newsstand. A subscription is even cheaper, and I would have sent you a coupon that can save you up to sixty-two percent. Or, for that matter, Ken, all you had to do was watch the show. You could have made it easier with a double Jim Beam, your favorite. Or you could -- mine, too. We have some things in common. Or you could go online, where the listings are posted. Hell, Ken, you could have called me collect, and I would have told you who we were having on the show.

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    The public paid for that study, but Ken Tomlinson acts as if he owns it. Let’s see it. You can watch my bias. You can watch my mistakes. You can watch everything I do right there on the air. We have the funders listed, everything is there, it’s all listed. But he won’t do it. In a May 10th op-ed piece in Reverend Moon’s conservative Washington Times, Ken Tomlinson maintained he had not released the findings because public broadcasting is such a delicate institution he did not want to, (quote), “damage public broadcasting’s image with controversy.” Where I come from in Texas, we shovel that kind of stuff every day.

    As we learned this week, that’s not the only news Mr. Tomlinson tried to keep to himself. As Dr. Wilson indicated, and as reported by Jeff Chester’s Center for Digital Democracy, which the Human Center for Media and Democracy also support, there were two public opinion surveys commissioned by CPB, but not released to the media, not even to PBS and NPR. According to a source who talked to Salon.com, the first results were too good and Tomlinson didn’t believe them. After the Iraq war, the board commissioned another round of polling, and they thought they’d get worse results, but they didn’t.

    This is the man, by the way, who was running the Voice of America back in 1984 when a fanatic named Charlie Wick was politicizing the United States Information Agency of which Voice of America was a part. It turned out there was a blacklist of people who had been removed from the list of prominent Americans sent abroad to lecture on behalf of America and the USIA. What’s more, it was discovered that evidence as to how those people were chosen to be on the blacklist, more than seven hundred documents, had been shredded. Among those on the blacklist of journalists, writers, scholars and politicians were dangerous left wing subversives like Walter Cronkite, James Baldwin, Gary Hart, Ralph Nader, Ben Bradley, Coretta Scott King and David Brinkley.

    The person who took the fall for the blacklist was another right winger. He resigned. Shortly thereafter, so did Kenneth Tomlinson, who was one of six people in the agency with the authority to see the list of potential speakers and allowed to strike people’s names. Let me be clear: I don’t know, and there’s no record of what position Kenneth Tomlinson took, whether he supported the blacklist or opposed it or what he thinks of it now. I actually hoped Bill O’Reilly would have asked him about it when he appeared on “The O’Reilly Factor” this week. He didn’t. Instead, Tomlinson went on attacking me with O’Reilly egging him on, and went on denying he was carrying out a partisan mandate. The only time you could be sure he was telling the truth was at the end of the broadcast when he said to O’Reilly, “We love your show.” We? We love your show? He’s entitled to his opinion. He’s entitled to his politics. He’s entitled to contribute exclusively, as he does to conservative candidates for public office. That’s all fine. Our political system encourages it and tolerates it. But he is not entitled to stand in judgment on other people’s bias.

    On Friday I wrote Kenneth Tomlinson. I asked him to sit down with me for an hour on PBS and talk about all this. I said, “You can choose the moderator, although I don’t see that we need one, two civilized human beings sitting and talking about these important issues affecting the future of a medium we both profess to love.” I said, “You can choose the guidelines.” But there’s one thing in particular – and I’m about to close. There’s one thing in particular I would like to ask him about. In that op-ed essay this week in The Washington Times, Ken Tomlinson talks of a phone call from an old friend complaining about Bill Moyers’s bias. The friend explained that the foundation he heads made a six figure contribution to his local public television station for digital conversion. But he declared, and I’m quoting Tomlinson, “There would be no more contributions until something was done about the network’s bias.”

    Apparently, that’s Kenneth Tomlinson’s method of governance. Money talks and buys the influence it wants. But I’d like to ask him to listen to a different voice. This letter came to me last year, five pages of handwriting. It said, in essence, and I’m going to do some direct quoting: “After the worst sneak attack in our history, there has not been a moment to reflect, a moment to let the horror resonate, to feel the pain and regroup as humans. No, since I lost my husband on 9/11, not only our family’s world but the whole world seems to have gotten even worse than that tragic day. On 9/11, my husband was not on duty. He was home with me having coffee. Our own family story on that day is long and complicated. My daughter and grandson, living only five blocks from the tower, had to be evacuated with marks, terror all around. My other daughter, near the Brooklyn Bridge, my son in high school. But my Charlie took off like a lightning bolt to be with his men from the special operations command. ‘Bring my gear to the plaza,’ he told his aid immediately after the first plane struck the north tower. In comparison to using semantic technicalities, passing the responsibility or not having all the facts, he took action based on the responsibility he felt for his job and his men and for those towers he loved. In the Fire Department of New York chain of command, rules extend to every captain of every firehouse in the city. If anything happens in the firehouse at any time, even if the captain isn’t on duty and is on vacation, that captain is responsible for everything that goes on there twenty-four/seven. Why then,” she asks, “are the people in Washington responsible for nothing? Why do they pass the blame for what happened that day, for the failure of the system, for the torture at Abu Ghraib, for sending young soldiers into an immoral war, under-equipped, under-trained and under-protected? Why is there no leadership? We need more programs like ‘NOW’ to wake us up,” she said. “More programs like ‘NOW’ and your series with Joseph Campbell, which my husband and I so enjoyed watching together. Such programs must continue amidst the sea of false images and name calling that divide America now. Such programs give us hope that search will continue to get this imperfect human condition on to a higher plain. So thank you and all of those who work with you at Channel 13, my flagship station, and PBS. Without public broadcasting, all we would call news would be very carefully controlled propaganda.”

    Framed above my desk at my office is the check she made out to Channel 13, “NOW,” for five hundred dollars. When I go discouraged or need to remind myself that public media truly matter, I look at that check and think of the woman who wrote it and the husband who did his duty, and their belief in us. And I will take, over the big check that Ken Tomlinson could have gotten from a demanding right winger, I would take the widow’s mite any day.
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    I've always like Bill Moyers. Didn't necessarily agree with all his views, but I have respect for him because he dug a bit deeper.

    I particularly enjoyed the part about the Pharisees...that is how I view the religious right.

    And I also agree 100% with: "I mean the people obsessed with control using the government to threaten and intimidate" Amen to that, it sums up Dubya's admin approach perfectly. I'm quite concerned by the abuses of power.

    He is very correct about the desire to turn the media into a simple purveyor of soundbites by those already in power. That is not journalism. But conveniently packaged snippets with key words are what many want. People don't watch/listen to PBS for that sort of junk news.
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    Bill Moyers is a political hack. Simple.

    Thats fine, if he wants a show on CNN or Sundance, im sure he'll have it - but I dont want my tax dollars funding his propaganda.

    (I like Bill Oreilly, but I wouldnt want my tax dollars funding his opinions either.)

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    Public broacasting, the National Endowment for the Arts etc. should not exist. Such are not a government interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    Public broacasting, the National Endowment for the Arts etc. should not exist. Such are not a government interest.
    Translation: They shouldn't exist because the Right doesn't like them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Harvest
    Translation: They shouldn't exist because the Right doesn't like them.
    No, they shouldn't exist because public monies (read tax) should not go to something that can be handled by the private arena: irrespective of content.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    No, they shouldn't exist because public monies (read tax) should not go to something that can be handled by the private arena: irrespective of content.
    Hate to burst your bubble, but they were created specifically because the private arena did not address such areas adequately. They were not created as "more of the same old crap" entities.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Harvest
    Hate to burst your bubble, but they were created specifically because the private arena did not address such areas adequately. They were not created as "more of the same old crap" entities.
    You are confused: the 'private arena' not addressing a thing does not thereby equal government mandate. Further 'adequately' is a subjective judgement best left to the market.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    You are confused: the 'private arena' not addressing a thing does not thereby equal government mandate. Further 'adequately' is a subjective judgement best left to the market.
    The govt chose to do it, because the public perception at the time was that it was best not left to the market. You seem to be having trouble with cause and effect.

    If you buy into the market as some sort of virtuous lady, you might want to take notice that she will sell herself at the first opportunity to the highest bidder...she's a greedy slut with no morals.

    "Government" is not equal to "market" Much of the infrastructure of this country would never have been built relying solely on private industry. It took various levels of govt using public funds to build or encourage the building of much of it. This seems to be largely lost on those today who have inherited a fine infrastructure...but little sense of history.

    It is of course up to the nation to decide whether or not a program is worth funding, but to try to claim what you did above is disingenuous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Harvest
    The govt chose to do it, because the public perception at the time was that it was best not left to the market. You seem to be having trouble with cause and effect.
    The government 'chose' to surpass its mandate.

    You appear to be attempting a historical argument. My position is not based on the folly of the past. It is based on the proper role of government. Tax monies spent on irrelevancies is not the government's purview.


    It is of course up to the nation to decide whether or not a program is worth funding, but to try to claim what you did above is disingenuous.
    Disingenuous? Is that really the charge you want to make?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pindar
    Public broacasting, the National Endowment for the Arts etc. should not exist. Such are not a government interest.
    Wrong, they are exactly in the public interest. A media which is away from all the corporate selling and political bias which comes with it, is needed. All media outlets should not be controlled by a few powerful men in suits, I find that very undesirable.

    A public broadcaster is in the people's interest and thus most definitely in the govt's interest.
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    Originally Posted by Red Harvest
    Hate to burst your bubble, but they were created specifically because the private arena did not address such areas adequately. They were not created as "more of the same old crap" entities.
    Well theve addressed it now so we no longer need it. Besides that any network paid for by taxpayers should not be allowed to have any political shows on it. We should not pay for propoganda from either side.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gawain of Orkeny
    Well theve addressed it now so we no longer need it. Besides that any network paid for by taxpayers should not be allowed to have any political shows on it. We should not pay for propoganda from either side.
    That shouldn't happen anyway in good journalism.

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    I'm guessing that all the Conservo-Bots who have posted here so far didn't have the attention span or the responsibility to actually read a significant portion of the transcript.

    And Pindar, frankly no one cares if there are some people who think PBS should not exist. There may be a good argument for this viewpoint, but it is a radical viewpoint which has zero connection to current reality and adds very little to this particular discussion.

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    Additionally, Moyers was no hack. Simply criticizing a certain political group, even if he criticizes them regularly and consistently, is not enough to put him into this class.

    What is necessary is to show that he criticizes this group through cheap distortions of the facts, negates all possible contradictory evidence, and allows no fair discourse on the issues. But if he listens to both sides and looks clearly at the facts, and his conclusion is that one particularly group is in the wrong, he may not be correct-- but if this is his honest conclusion it is his journalistic duty to report it.

    The purpose of journalism is honesty, not meaningless "balance". The purpose of Public Broadcasting is HONESTY, not meaningly "balance". You guys should actually read the transcript. You won't be able to conclude except that Moyers' points on the uniformity of news coverage today are quite good, whether or not you agree with him in whole.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Red Harvest
    The govt chose to do it, because the public perception at the time was that it was best not left to the market. You seem to be having trouble with cause and effect.

    If you buy into the market as some sort of virtuous lady, you might want to take notice that she will sell herself at the first opportunity to the highest bidder...she's a greedy slut with no morals.

    "Government" is not equal to "market" Much of the infrastructure of this country would never have been built relying solely on private industry. It took various levels of govt using public funds to build or encourage the building of much of it. This seems to be largely lost on those today who have inherited a fine infrastructure...but little sense of history.

    It is of course up to the nation to decide whether or not a program is worth funding, but to try to claim what you did above is disingenuous.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Del Arroyo
    Additionally, Moyers was no hack. Simply criticizing a certain political group, even if he criticizes them regularly and consistently, is not enough to put him into this class.

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    Using my money to do it sure as hell does though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JAG
    Wrong, they are exactly in the public interest. A media which is away from all the corporate selling and political bias which comes with it, is needed. All media outlets should not be controlled by a few powerful men in suits, I find that very undesirable.

    A public broadcaster is in the people's interest and thus most definitely in the govt's interest.
    There is no such thing as media void of political bias.

    The 'people' can and should decide their own interest.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Del Arroyo
    And Pindar, frankly no one cares if there are some people who think PBS should not exist. There may be a good argument for this viewpoint, but it is a radical viewpoint which has zero connection to current reality and adds very little to this particular discussion.

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    I care.

    One would think a 'good argument' stands regardless of consensus.

    Your tolerance for contrary views has been noted.


    Additionally, Moyers (is) no hack.
    Said Journalist:

    "In no way – in no way does this permit journalists to make accusations and allegations."

    "The more compelling our journalism, the angrier became the radical right of the Republican Party. That’s because the one thing they loathe more than liberals is the truth."

    Moyers is his own refutation.


    The larger point remains: Government has no business raiding public coffers to sponsor the 'arts'.
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    I'm guessing that all the Conservo-Bots who have posted here so far didn't have the attention span or the responsibility to actually read a significant portion of the transcript.
    I read it all.. nothing but a regurgitation of the usual.


    And Pindar, frankly no one cares if there are some people who think PBS should not exist. There may be a good argument for this viewpoint, but it is a radical viewpoint which has zero connection to current reality and adds very little to this particular discussion.
    Thats somewhat idiotic on several levels.. and wrong. Many people in this country are sick and tired of government sponsored propaganda. Of course, only a liberal would discount a good argument in favor of public opinion.


    Additionally, Moyers was no hack. Simply criticizing a certain political group, even if he criticizes them regularly and consistently, is not enough to put him into this class.
    Ahh, but he does do exactly what you say a hack does:

    What is necessary is to show that he criticizes this group through cheap distortions of the facts, negates all possible contradictory evidence, and allows no fair discourse on the issues.

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    No one has addressed the point that the current admin is diligently working on silencing any oppsing viewpoints. This is certainly not good for a free independent review.

    Current corporate interests are so powerful and have shown they are more concerned with image and damage control than the public good, that it may be important to have a non-commercial voice in the media.

    But Pindar's point is well taken, this may not be an appropriate use of guv power, and as this last episode has shown, the idea of a neutral voice, while certainly desirable, is vulnerable to propagandization.

    The question really is, is corporate propaganda the only option?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ichi
    No one has addressed the point that the current admin is diligently working on silencing any oppsing viewpoints. This is certainly not good for a free independent review.
    Haven't seen any violations of free speech by the current administration. (well that is not completely true- it seem the court did attempt to compeal a journalist to give up his source - but was that the adminstration or the courts?). Of course in administration sponsered press confrences you get the information that the government wish to give you. However again show me where the adminstration is deny freedom of speech by arresting or taking sanctions against opposing viewpoints. Because that is exactly what the term silencing opposing viewpoints by the government means to me. Private news sources have the ability to report the news that they want to. While I don't watch PBS much anymore - no one can say that Bill Moyers reported the news without adding his own view point. His little piece above is evidence that he voices his politics views. However Bill Moyer was not paid for by an indepent source - he was paid by a system dependent upon tax payer money. I find his arguement slightly hypocritical.


    Current corporate interests are so powerful and have shown they are more concerned with image and damage control than the public good, that it may be important to have a non-commercial voice in the media.
    And Bill Moyer ruined that image for PBS. But that only my opinion. I prefer to read the news from multiple sources - not from the television.

    But Pindar's point is well taken, this may not be an appropriate use of guv power, and as this last episode has shown, the idea of a neutral voice, while certainly desirable, is vulnerable to propagandization.
    Yep Moyer proved the case against him.

    The question really is, is corporate propaganda the only option?

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    Actually no - the only true option for the individual who want to keep himself informed is to use mulitple sources - which is what I believe is one of the main philisophies that is alluded to in my sig quote from Thomas Jefferson.
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    This admin will try to destroy anything in their way. It has zero interest in balanced reporting, or for that matter in accurate analysis even in security and budget issues. In everything, this admin goes after those who express a dissenting view. It is an administration that determines its position FIRST, then "asks" for analysis to back it.

    The GOP has been out to get PBS for decades. If you try to show more than one side to a story, the GOP will scream "bias." You can't have true journalism that way. For honest journalism you have to make a good attempt to present both sides, even if you disagree.

    Bill Moyers has not "ruined the image" of PBS. Him lashing out at his critics is hardly partisan reporting. It is going after the a$$holes that have been after him for so long. A number of those same a$$holes have their salaries 100% paid by the American Taxpayer as well. Actually, PBS funding is only 16.4% Federal from the numbers I've seen. So if you want to look at it that way, PBS might be giving far too much time to the already over represented federal officials... And news shows are just one portion of PBS programming.

    Haven't seen any surveys recently, I seriously doubt that the majority wants to eliminate PBS funding.
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    For honest journalism you have to make a good attempt to present both sides, even if you disagree.
    You just defeated your own defense of PBS.

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    If you try to show more than one side to a story, the GOP will scream "bias.
    What are you talking about? Fox is great and it doesnt rely on tax money to support it. I bellieve you and others on the left will scream bias here though where we see fair and balanced and telling boht sides. The very fact that Fox is the only network that even gives the conservative side of things really gets to you people. Talk about the pot calling the kettle black.

    This admin will try to destroy anything in their way.
    More like the media will do anything to destroy this administration..

    It has zero interest in balanced reporting,
    More like te media has zero interest in balanced reporting. And thats their job.

    Bill Moyers has not "ruined the image" of PBS.
    Will it seems millions of Americans dissagree with you and he is largely responsible for us saying enough propaganda is enough. You want to make political statements dont tell me to pay for it. I dont care if I agree or not.

    Haven't seen any surveys recently, I seriously doubt that the majority wants to eliminate PBS funding.
    Actually I beleive to make this constitutional you would have to amend the Constitution as I see no basis for it there. What a poll says hardly matters though I think the results may surprise you. Most people who would vote to keep it think only of Sesame Street as PBS and not shows like Moyers.
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    Actually I beleive to make this constitutional you would have to amend the Constitution as I see no basis for it there. What a poll says hardly matters though I think the results may surprise you. Most people who would vote to keep it think only of Sesame Street as PBS and not shows like Moyers.
    Thats where the left likes to decieve the public. They treat an attack on moyers and PBS's political shows as an attack on PBS.

    I love the "britcoms" they show on there, and many other programs are beneficial to people. Theres no justification, however, to have political propaganda on the station.

    This whole issue would go away if moyers hadnt hijacked the good name of PBS to defend his own biased show and carreer.

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    Could you imagine the screams from the left if Rush Limbaugh had a show like Moyers on PBS
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    Their heads would explode if there was one show that was actually right-wing on there. They'd scream bias until their lungs burst.

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    Here's a CATO article making the case to defund PBS/NPR. Here's a few tidbits.
    A careful listener to NPR would notice a preponderance of reports on racism, sexism, and environmental destruction. David Fanning, executive producer of "Frontline," PBS's documentary series, responds to questions of bias by saying, "We ask hard questions to people in power. That's anathema to some people in Washington these days." But it seems safe to say that there has never been a "Frontline" documentary on the burden of taxes, or the number of people who have died because federal regulations keep drugs off the market, or the way that state governments have abused the law in their pursuit of tobacco companies, or the number of people who use guns to prevent crime. Those "hard questions" just don't occur to liberal journalists.

    Anyone who got all his news from NPR would never know that Americans of all races live longer, healthier, and in more comfort than any people in history, or that the environment has been getting steadily cleaner.

    One dirty little secret that NPR and PBS don't like to acknowledge in public debate is the wealth of their listeners and viewers. But they're happy to tell advertisers -- oops, I mean sponsors -- about the affluent audience they're reaching. A few years ago NPR enthusiastically told advertisers that its listeners are 66 percent wealthier than the average American, three times as likely to be college graduates, and 150 percent more likely to be professionals or managers. Tax-funded broadcasting, like tax-funded arts, is a giant income transfer upward: the middle class is taxed to pay for news and entertainment for the upper middle class. It's no accident that you hear ads for Remy Martin and "private banking services" on NPR, not for Budweiser and free checking accounts.
    There are just so many reasons why the federal government shouldn't be in the media business. Bias, conflict of interest, misuse of tax-payer money....
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    Their heads would explode if there was one show thatwas actuall right-wing on there. They'd scream bias until their lungs burst.

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