Left Wing Club

[PyrrhusofEpirus]

just a question but are pro-WMD?

Yes! I'm a pro-WMD! I have a various collection of disease WMD anthrax, Ebola, Bubonic Plague, Cholera, Tularemia, Brucellosis, Q fever, Machupo, VEE, and Smallpox!
I have also naturally-occurring toxins, including Ricin, SEB, Botulism Toxin, and many Mycotoxins!
My favorites are the chemicals! I have collected already Sarin, VX, Hydrogen cyanide, Mustard gas, Lewisite and Phosgene!
I'm looking forward to complete my collection with a hydrogen bomb! This is my dream from childhood!
Banning of WMDs is crazy!
You see:

I don’t run around in cities pretending to be Osama at the shooting range

Also:

I am a decent person i have done nothing wrong.

Try understand that simply:

All i want to do is a collection . But the government keeps passing all these laws and bans etc.

For you crazy lefties:

If you are afraid of WMD thats not our problem don't by one.

WMD are only as dangerous as the person you give them too.

And WMD used in crimes are usually stolen or from the black market illegally.

Quit watching michael moore and learn some real facts.

And for those who still argue, I will conclude that:

in a civilized society people should be trust worthy enough to own WMDs.

PS
Sorry Ceasar010 I couldn't resist! Nothing personal so!

Fellow lefties have fun and think!!!

[Kagemusha]

Are you for real that you have Sarin and VX nerve gas?I hope you are joking,but If you are not, you just told us that you are criminal.

[PyrrhusofEpirus]

f you are not, you just told us that you are criminal.

Sorry but you didn't see the irony here!!!

Read previous posts!

[Kagemusha]

Sorry. Its just my lowsy sense of humour.I dont interfere your conversation furthermore.

[PyrrhusofEpirus]

Apology accepted!
Have a nice day!

[Kagemusha]

Apology accepted!
Have a nice day!

You too!

[IliaDN]

Cold beer for the new club members.

[Redleg]

just a question but are pro-WMD?

Yes! I'm a pro-WMD! I have a various collection of disease WMD anthrax, Ebola, Bubonic Plague, Cholera, Tularemia, Brucellosis, Q fever, Machupo, VEE, and Smallpox!
I have also naturally-occurring toxins, including Ricin, SEB, Botulism Toxin, and many Mycotoxins!
My favorites are the chemicals! I have collected already Sarin, VX, Hydrogen cyanide, Mustard gas, Lewisite and Phosgene!
I'm looking forward to complete my collection with a hydrogen bomb! This is my dream from childhood!
Banning of WMDs is crazy!
You see:

I don’t run around in cities pretending to be Osama at the shooting range

Also:

I am a decent person i have done nothing wrong.

Try understand that simply:

All i want to do is a collection . But the government keeps passing all these laws and bans etc.

For you crazy lefties:

If you are afraid of WMD thats not our problem don't by one.

WMD are only as dangerous as the person you give them too.

And WMD used in crimes are usually stolen or from the black market illegally.

Quit watching michael moore and learn some real facts.

And for those who still argue, I will conclude that:

in a civilized society people should be trust worthy enough to own WMDs.

PS
Sorry Ceasar010 I couldn't resist! Nothing personal so!

Fellow lefties have fun and think!!!

Not irony at all but hyperbole. Irony is defined as

Irony: the discrepancy between what is said and what is meant, what is said and what is done, what is expected or intended and what happens, what is meant or said and what others understand. Sometimes irony is classified into types: in situational irony, expectations aroused by a situation are reversed; in cosmic irony or the irony of fate, misfortune is the result of fate, chance, or God; in dramatic irony. the audience knows more than the characters in the play, so that words and action have additional meaning for the audience; Socractic irony is named after Socrates' teaching method, whereby he assumes ignorance and openness to opposing points of view which turn out to be (he shows them to be) foolish. Click here for examples of irony.

http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/en.../lit_term.html

hyperbole is defined as

a figure of speech that is an intentional exaggeration for emphasis or comic effect. Hyperbole is common in love poetry, in which it is used to convey the lover's intense admiration for his beloved. ...

http://www.britannica.com/search?que...&source=MWTEXT


And you liberials claim to be thinkers. Yea right.

Guess what that use of language is.

[Al Khalifah]

.... so much for the left wing club then.

[Byzantine Prince]

Why is it that conservatives are so many and so loud in the backroom?

It get's frustrating. I now decree that this will be the therad to bash them relentlessly. With Ser Clegane's permission of course.

[Franconicus]

God loves idiots! That's why he made so many of them
Just kidding! There are so many cons because they haven't reached the lefties' intellect so far. That is no reason to bash them. Patience! Teach them if they ask you to.
And they are so loud because they have to compensate their ignorance.

[IliaDN]

God loves idiots! That's why he made so many of them
Just kidding! There are so many cons because they haven't reached the lefties' intellect so far. That is no reason to bash them. Patience! Teach them if they ask you to.
And they are so loud because they have to compensate their ignorance.

P.S.

[Ser Clegane]

I now decree that this will be the therad to bash them relentlessly. With Ser Clegane's permission of course.

Permission officially denied

[Byzantine Prince]

There are so many cons because they haven't reached the lefties' intellect so far.

Agreed.

And they are so loud because they have to compensate their ignorance.

Agreed.

Permission officially denied

Is it ok if I just agree with other people's bashes? And then maybe add some little hited ones of my own?

[JAG]

The forum is getting filled with more and more Conservatives - but the interesting thing is most of them are very young and very Christian. Says a lot about the whole ideology really.

Anyway, I am being horribly stereotypical and I apologise, but still it is quite true.

[Redleg]

The forum is getting filled with more and more Conservatives - but the interesting thing is most of them are very young and very Christian. Says a lot about the whole ideology really.

Maybe it says more about the failures of the "left wing" mentality in upholding their basic idealogical values. It could because of instead of presenting logical and insightful public policy - the "Left Wing" has resorted to personal attacks on people who disagree with them and relaying solely on emotional appeal to bring about their desired politicial endstate.

It could also because of the percieved failure of communism and socialism with the collaspe of the Soviet Union.

Anyway, I am being horribly stereotypical and I apologise, but still it is quite true.

True in what way? The only part you got right is that you made a horrible stereotype. Sterotypes often are based upon an individual's own inablity to cope with another's viewpoint. And is a form of intolerance to another's idea.


[sarcasm on] Fine outstanding models of "liberial" thinking that you all are being.[sarcasm off]

[IliaDN]

It could because of instead of presenting logical and insightful public policy - the "Left Wing" has resorted to personal attacks on people who disagree with them and relaying solely on emotional appeal to bring about their desired politicial endstate.

I assure you that at least 25% of the LWC members have nothing in common with those attacks.

[Redleg]

I assure you that at least 25% of the LWC members have nothing in common with those attacks.

Oh I believe that - however it doesn't distract from my point - which is in response to Jag's attempt at sterotyping and an observation of his previous posting behavior. That and a few other individuals.

But then I am the pot calling the kettle black myself.

[JAG]

Since when has personal attacks been ideologically pigeon holed? That is like saying only those who want war masterbate.... Just doesn't make sense.

[Redleg]

Since when has personal attacks been ideologically pigeon holed? That is like saying only those who want war masterbate.... Just doesn't make sense.

Makes more sense then you seem to think. By attacking others directly instead of attacking their ideas you are not addressing the issue or the politics of the idea - you are instead attacking only the individual. Many that would be consider "left wing" perform just this tactic when attempting to demonize or otherwise discredit someone because of thier politicial believes. (now the right is not innocent of this tactic either - but the "left wing," has always done this - and its gotten worse.

A prime examble would be the latest attack on Blair blaming the bombings in London on him.

Then there is the attacks on Blair being a lapdog to President Bush.

The attacks not on President Bush policies and tactics - but on his person.

But like I said the right is not innocent either - for instance the Personal attacks on Chirac and Chavez.

And other such personal attacks on people in politics. Many that are "left wing" attack not the policy - but the individual. And its not "pigeon holing" the concept - its showing the weakness of the "left wing" mentality of instead of providing arguements to counter the policy they attack the individual who makes the policy or advocates the policy. Such methods might just be turning people off of the "left wing" because its more mud slinging then politicial disagreement.

The problem with such tactics is that they never address the issues and distort the overall idealogical and policitical difference.

[ThijsP]

Maybe it says more about the failures of the "left wing" mentality in upholding their basic idealogical values. It could because of instead of presenting logical and insightful public policy - the "Left Wing" has resorted to personal attacks on people who disagree with them and relaying solely on emotional appeal to bring about their desired politicial endstate.

Becease we live in a ever changing world both left and right wing are changing, you cant convince me that the conservatives are still upholding their idealogy, I always thought it was to conserve things from the past, but this is something conservatives only can keep for a while.

For example around the 1850s the conservatives in the Netherlands where the monarchist wanting to keep the government as much a absolute monarchy as possible. Later conservatives want the keep slaves, apartheid, colony's, no womens sufrage. Now they are fighting against gay mariage and abortions for example. So conservatives also as much or more failing in upholding their idealogical values as socialists.

It could also because of the percieved failure of communism and socialism with the collaspe of the Soviet Union.

The collapse of communism in the Sovjet Union only made clear that pure communist state will never work.

[Redleg]

Becease we live in a ever changing world both left and right wing are changing, you cant convince me that the conservatives are still upholding their idealogy, I always thought it was to conserve things from the past, but this is something conservatives only can keep for a while.

And I believe you would be correct in that.

For example around the 1850s the conservatives in the Netherlands where the monarchist wanting to keep the government as much a absolute monarchy as possible. Later conservatives want the keep slaves, apartheid, colony's, no womens sufrage. Now they are fighting against gay mariage and abortions for example. So conservatives also as much or more failing in upholding their idealogical values as socialists.

I would suggest that at least one of you gets the gist of what I was writing about in my response to Jag's attempt at sterotyping.

The collapse of communism in the Sovjet Union only made clear that pure communist state will never work.

Yea you might be right - but its a fun poke in the eye at socialists and communists in general.

[Franconicus]

The collapse of communism in the Sovjet Union only made clear that pure communist state will never work.

Sorry to cloud your bright idea - but calling the SU pure communism is like calling the Nazis humanists.

[IliaDN]

The collapse of communism in the Sovjet Union only made clear that pure communist state will never work.

You are forgetting other communist states.

[Al Khalifah]

You are forgetting other communist states.

A communist state? Isn't that an oxymoron, how can there be a communist state when in a communist society there is no state, since a state would imply hierarchy and nationhood.

A communist society would be a community, not a state.

[JAG]

Al - you are correct, in the end there would be no state, but as the theory goes, the state would be gradually dismantled by the proletariat, so it is fair to say there is some form of communist state.

[ThijsP]

Sorry to cloud your bright idea - but calling the SU pure communism is like calling the Nazis humanists.

So it didn't work thats what I meant.

[IliaDN]

A communist state? Isn't that an oxymoron, how can there be a communist state when in a communist society there is no state, since a state would imply hierarchy and nationhood.

A communist society would be a community, not a state.

If you prefer using a word playing - the question will be:
What about other social states ( republics )?

[Moros]

Al - you are correct, in the end there would be no state, but as the theory goes, the state would be gradually dismantled by the proletariat, so it is fair to say there is some form of communist state.

Gertgregoor is cool

so it would be a paradox.

A communism society would be a great society but doomed even if "perfectly" arranged not because it's bad or something but because people are.
Don't see me as a righty but I think socialism is good but real pure communism is doomed. tough I'd be really pleased if you'd prove me wrong.

sorry for bad English.

[IliaDN]

Don't see me as a righty but I think socialism is good but real pure communism is doomed. tough I'd be really pleased if you'd prove me wrong.

Tell me why is doomed in your opnion?