Left Wing Club

Originally Posted by Franconicus

I thought you knew it! What else do you know about PJP?

P.S.: I quoted him, because most people here seem to think that Socialism = Totalism. I wanted to show that this is wrong!!

Maybe people sometimes think so, because of quite unideal examples they saw.

I think on democrathic Socialism / Socialdemocrathy as the Unification of Workerunionists, moderate Socialists, Antifacists and leftwing-Intellectuals in one Party whoose political value is solidarity.



Freedom, Equality, Fraternity! - Unity makes us strong!

However we have always trouble with RESOS damageing our Image and ability to do the work we are expected for.

However if we, in this case I mean the IUSY-Team whoose Chairman I am, have finished the Elections this September we'll get bowled with the planned DKMS-Action.

I think on democrathic Socialism / Socialdemocrathy as the Unification of Workerunionists, moderate Socialists, Antifacists and leftwing-Intellectuals in one Party whoose political value is solidarity.

Would never work. One thing the left is unfortunately too good at is infighting and splintering. Solidarity is so meaningless anyway.

Originally Posted by JAG

Would never work. One thing the left is unfortunately too good at is infighting and splintering. Solidarity is so meaningless anyway.

We have always problems with the RESOS (REactionay SOcialistS). That is frequently known.

That can be called splitting, or keeping our politics in a clean red. Socialism in its native form is an Idealist Philosophy.

Originally Posted by JAG

Solidarity is so meaningless anyway

Nope, Solidarity is the key to understand Socialism and the creation of the Socialist International. It is the major diffrence between us and Liberalism, is that the Socialist does primary not attempt to improove his own Position but instead steams the whole Commonwealth.

The International Ideal is about creating acceptable conditions for as many human beeings as possible, however the Parties who are Members have too much differed from that thought.

The Collcetive mentality is indeed a thing Socialists chare with Conservatives, while Liberals are selfish individualists.

Originally Posted by JAG

Would never work. One thing the left is unfortunately too good at is infighting and splintering. Solidarity is so meaningless anyway.

I think Stefan 's right. It might be hard to keep it working but I don't see a better way. What would you want? one man who rules them all? (hum... I know this line from somewhere... oh yeah, one ring to rule them all :p)
or would you have no "rulers" (couldn't come up with a better word) at all.
Both wouldn't work I think, so a socialist democrathy seems the best solution to me.

So, how would you do it then JAG?

Solidary is very important. But I think trying to unify and standardize Socialism is paradox. Let there be diversity. As long as you know good and bad, who needs it.

Seems I missed a lot of here.

Originally Posted by Franconicus

Solidary is very important. But I think trying to unify and standardize Socialism is paradox. Let there be diversity. As long as you know good and bad, who needs it.

The Reason for the Existance of the International is not standardisation, it is used for correspondence of democrathic Socialist Parties on matters of foreignpolicy. "Foreigntrade" is the Keyword to explain why.

Originally Posted by Stefan the Berserker

Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!

Just out of curiousity, who waves that flag?

Originally Posted by Louis IV the Fat

Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!

Just out of curiousity, who waves that flag?

It would be great to have this flag as a symbol in the very first post, but unfortunatly it is not mine ( post ) - so I can't edit it.

Originally Posted by Stefan the Berserker

The Reason for the Existance of the International is not standardisation, it is used for correspondence of democrathic Socialist Parties on matters of foreignpolicy. "Foreigntrade" is the Keyword to explain why.

Welcome on board!

Originally Posted by PanzerJager

Gawain runs a tight shift in the Conservative Club. Its very organized, we have a president, sergeant at arms, and some other ranks.

Ahahahahahah... hahahahahaha


that's a good one..

ahahahahahaha..

oh stop..it's hurting hahahahahaha

This is as far as I have got in this pointless thread. I think there are a few more pages but none can top this.

Originally Posted by Idaho

Ahahahahahah... hahahahahaha


that's a good one..

ahahahahahaha..

oh stop..it's hurting hahahahahaha

This is as far as I have got in this pointless thread. I think there are a few more pages but none can top this.

IMO it is not more pointless then the other clubs here.

Originally Posted by Louis IV the Fat

Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!

Just out of curiousity, who waves that flag?

Here a better Picture. It is the Banner of Ferdinand Lassalle, which was the first used Flag of the ADAV the successor of the SPD.

It shows the german translation of "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!", the Motto of the French Revolution, the symbol of shaking hands with the date of the beginning of Lassalle's presidentship and the german sentence "Unity makes powerful!" on red ground.

The Banner was designed by workers from Katowice and was homemade by 1864, then handed out to Lassalle as a gift. The original survived the time and both world wars, being exhibited in a museum in Wroclaw in present days.

However you can find copies of the banner everywhere in Germany, for example pubs oftenly exhibit a copy together with other worker banners (we have many of them) or catholic banners. However we germans do have an general illness to like banners of any kind...

Originally Posted by Stefan the Berserker

Here a better Picture. It is the Banner of Ferdinand Lassalle, which was the first used Flag of the ADAV the successor of the SPD.

It shows the german translation of "Liberty, Equality, Fraternity!", the Motto of the French Revolution, the symbol of shaking hands with the date of the beginning of Lassalle's presidentship and the german sentence "Unity makes powerful!" on red ground.

The Banner was designed by workers from Katowice and was homemade by 1864, then handed out to Lassalle as a gift. The original survived the time and both world wars, being exhibited in a museum in Wroclaw in present days.

However you can find copies of the banner everywhere in Germany, for example pubs oftenly exhibit a copy together with other worker banners (we have many of them) or catholic banners. However we germans do have an general illness to like banners of any kind...

Maybe the founder of the thread will place it in the first post?

good flag!
aren't those 3 words one of best words that exist?

vrijheid, gelijkheid en broederlijkheid...

If somebody still visits this place here is my quetion: can communism be reached through nationalism, or not?

There is no reason for saying no. But the thing is that eventually all forms of separation have to be wiped out, and i mean actual separation, like a Constitution, government, frontier. Not ideal separation, nationalism in it's good way should be accepted.

No, nationalism is so stupid! I believe that true comm. means that you love all men regardless their nationality.

Not those nationalism that was in Germany, but another one - supporting root population of the country, giving them various priveligis (sp?), and NOT opressions (correct word?) against foreigners.

Originally Posted by Soulforged

Not ideal separation, nationalism in it's good way should be accepted.

Added the flag and a poster of Che Guevarra (for the artistic touch) to the first post. Thanks