Left Wing Club

[Crazed Rabbit]

Oh, and I guess I should follow that with a wink smiley. Because that makes a sweeping slander witty.

Plus I personally think it flies in the face of what you would expect from lefties, leave the old mens, private entry clubs to those who traditionally are great at it - the elitist Conservatives. They love membership clubs because they love to divide people into boxes and live in such a society, we should be about the complete opposite.

You forgot the JAG!



Crazed Rabbit

[JAG]

No wanted.

[poirot]

Good on you poirot. However, as I formed the "moderates" Club, I will not join this one, also I can not join the Conservative's either.

Good Luck with your club.

Thank you, and looking forward to support from moderates as well

[rasoforos]

Good to see that some things havent changed....

...well it isnt good, its rather bad actually


Anyhows...here is what i think:

If somehow you are mad enough NOT to want to look like, talk like and build a golden shrine to Nixon or Kissinger it doesnt necessarily make you left-wing. Its not only the left-wing who is opposed to what american conservatism is , the whole bloody world is opposed to it. Based on that assumption we should have a 'rest of the planet' club....and then things would get really really silly

The 2 Eurocents from a socially left-wing and economicaly right-wing person...

[IliaDN]

It would be cool, if someone will explain the main idea\purpose of this club ...

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Yes, But the First Post should contain a list of declared members.

How can ther first post contain a list of declared members when you dont have any yet? By the way the Conservative club was the only onw with a published list of members and yes it was on the first page and done from the start. It also has a premise which I still havent seen fron your organisation. You are no where near as organised as we are. Thats why you are hearing this.

It would be cool, if someone will explain the main idea\purpose of this club ...

Its pretty simple they saw the conservative club and thought hey lets start our own without even knowing why the conservative club exists.

[KukriKhan]

Laurel and Hardy
Abbott and Costello
Asterix and Oberlix
Gawain and JAG

It true: the classics are the best.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

[PyrrhusofEpirus]

I personally think it flies in the face of what you would expect from lefties, leave the old mens, private entry clubs to those who traditionally are great at it - the elitist Conservatives.

Totaly agree!
I'm a left-winger also. In my opinion we don't need memberships and such dividing things. We could post here, set our perspective and keep this thread alive. The conservatives and moderates could also post. We can't refuse this. We could gain from their perspective and overcome our big defect, fragmentation.

Anyway, long live the LWC!

[poirot]

Totaly agree!
I'm a left-winger also. In my opinion we don't need memberships and such dividing things. We could post here, set our perspective and keep this thread alive. The conservatives and moderates could also post. We can't refuse this. We could gain from their perspective and overcome our big defect, fragmentation.

Anyway, long live the LWC!

Do you mind if I add you to the membership list? We are still in the process of organizing. The club is still in its infant state. I am welcome to any suggestions, comments, or criticism.

[IliaDN]

First - if it is important for you - can start membershp list right now and then add there with a help of "Edit" function.
Second - WHAT IS GENERAL PURPOSE OF THIS CLUB?

[Tachikaze]

Tachikaze, good to see you still posting around these parts.

Yes, you are right, we put pragmatism above idealism.

I didn't realize I was missed. Makes me feel, *sniff* like part of a family.

Actually, I haven't been absent, just posting more nonpolicial stuff (which takes less thinking time) in the Frontroom.

The pragmatism vs. idealism issue is an interesting one. Actually, I feel that both sides have their areas of pragmatism and idealism.

To me, it's an odd paradox, however. There is a greater ratio of Christians among the Right (let me know if I'm wrong), yet, the Left seems to be guided more by a kind of spirituality, often alluded to as "idealism" by the right. There is a kind of faith, even among those who are self-proclaimed atheists, that the Right doesn't seem to share.

These feelings are just vague notions I get when I read posts in this forum. I can't even specify what the "faith" is in. I just see it as a common thread through the messages. I would suggest that they may be sensitive to what the Chinese call tao, or the flow of the universe/nature. They know in their hearts what's right, and it guides them in their decisions. They feel imbalance, a shift too far in one direction that leads to instability.

This is not to say they aren't pragmatic or logical. In fact, I would say the Left is teeming with analytical types who philosophize about their views. When leftists argue against the evils of excessive capitalism, they most often explain their views in terms of the cause-and-effect of alienating large proportions of society by creating a huge imbalance of haves and have-nots. By creating a world of those who control wealth and those who serve them for subsistence.

That sounds like a pragmatic concern to me.

[poirot]

First - if it is important for you - can start membershp list right now and then add there with a help of "Edit" function.
Second - WHAT IS GENERAL PURPOSE OF THIS CLUB?

You have already been added to the list in the first thread. The general purpose of this club is to provide a balance against conservatism and let the world know that liberals and lefties still flourish. It is a place where comrades and comrades can join hands.

Many of you argued against organized liberalism. I disagree. The fragmentation among liberal ranks in the U.S. has resulted in the likes of Bush taking power in the White House.

[IliaDN]

Ressurection
P.S. We won't let this thread die ...
Oops ... somebody is coming maybe the angry mod ... I would better hide

[scooter_the_shooter]

Am I left wing enough Just joking good luck with your club. ONe thing so i am not just spamming your club.

Many of you argued against organized liberalism. I disagree. The fragmentation among liberal ranks in the U.S. has resulted in the likes of Bush taking power in the White House.

We voted bush for a few reasons.

1 you don't switch leaders in the middle of war
2 America does not want a liberal the voting proved that

[PanzerJaeger]

The pragmatism vs. idealism issue is an interesting one. Actually, I feel that both sides have their areas of pragmatism and idealism.

To me, it's an odd paradox, however. There is a greater ratio of Christians among the Right (let me know if I'm wrong), yet, the Left seems to be guided more by a kind of spirituality, often alluded to as "idealism" by the right. There is a kind of faith, even among those who are self-proclaimed atheists, that the Right doesn't seem to share.

These feelings are just vague notions I get when I read posts in this forum. I can't even specify what the "faith" is in. I just see it as a common thread through the messages. I would suggest that they may be sensitive to what the Chinese call tao, or the flow of the universe/nature. They know in their hearts what's right, and it guides them in their decisions. They feel imbalance, a shift too far in one direction that leads to instability.

This is not to say they aren't pragmatic or logical. In fact, I would say the Left is teeming with analytical types who philosophize about their views. When leftists argue against the evils of excessive capitalism, they most often explain their views in terms of the cause-and-effect of alienating large proportions of society by creating a huge imbalance of haves and have-nots. By creating a world of those who control wealth and those who serve them for subsistence.

That sounds like a pragmatic concern to me.

Possibly the faith you speak of is humanism.

Conservatives are not faithless however. On issues like abortion, even with non-Christians there is a strong sense of moral superiority. Whether thats true is opinion of course.

[Tachikaze]

Possibly the faith you speak of is humanism.

Perhaps. Gotta think about that.

[Demon of Light]

A long, long time ago I actually started a thread for this sort of club. I did so after I noticed that Gawain's thread was being treated with suspicion and a general lack of participation. Guess what though? The new thread generally suffered from a lack of participation. So much the better if you can keep this going but previous attempts have been plagued by an overall lack of interest.

[scooter_the_shooter]

I have a question for all you lefties here. What are your opinions on gun control??? I have yet to find a pro gun liberal. My search continues. (us right wingers cant be the only pro gun folks out there)

[IliaDN]

I have a question for all you lefties here. What are your opinions on gun control??? I have yet to find a pro gun liberal. My search continues. (us right wingers cant be the only pro gun folks out there)

Of their must be a law against having personal weapons because:
1.There is no use of guns in the ideal society;
2.If the society is not ideal - the guns might be used for bad purposes;
3.And don't tell me about protecting yourself with a gun ( if you are a GOOD guy ), those things are generaly used by BAD guys.

[scooter_the_shooter]

Wouldn't an ideal society be able to trust its people with guns.

Dont give me that bs about bad guys having them. 1 in 3 houses in the US has
a gun. And thousands of normal people carry them every day for defence in my country.

any way are any lefties pro gun out there??

[Franconicus]

If the left ones have weapons they usually use them to try to create an ideal society (it usually fails) and fight the right wingers.

[Franconicus]

Wouldn't an ideal society be able to trust its people with gun.

Dont give me that bs about bad guys having them. 1 in 3 houses in the US has
a gun. ANd thousands of normal people carry them every day for defence in my country.

any way are any lefties pro gun out there??

I once read that one of seven or one of three male Americans is or was in jail. I cannot remember the number but it was frightening high.
It is inline with your and IliaDn's posts.

[scooter_the_shooter]

Does anyone know a lefty who is pro gun.

[IliaDN]

Does anyone know a lefty who is pro gun.

And how will you use a gun?

[scooter_the_shooter]

Gun owners are law abiding people owning one makes them one because. You cant have felony and own a gun. And guns used in crimes are usually stolen or from the black market illegally.


And to prove there are good people with guns i will show you some sites. (please dont join and cause hell for these people though) They just like to talk about guns not argue. (there is a political section though)

i will only post them if you promise no to join there and go piss everyone off.


I go target shooting and hunting. i am not some killer lurking in the shadows with an ar15

[Ser Clegane]

Does anyone know a lefty who is pro gun.

Depends how you define "lefty" I would say. Ichi seems to "left" of a lot of the Conservative Club guys and he is generally "pro gun" (although "pro gun" seems to be an as generic trem as "lefty").

I think you yourself consider Demonarchangel as being "left" and IIRC he is as pro gun as a person can get.

[scooter_the_shooter]

what ever happened to deamon i have not seen him on here for a long time.

[Ser Clegane]

what ever happened to deamon i have not seen him on here for a long time.

AFAIK he is currently here in Germany for a kind of summer job.

[IliaDN]

Gun owners are law abiding people owning one makes them one because. You cant have felony and own a gun. And guns used in crimes are usually stolen or from the black market illegally.


And to prove there are good people with guns i will show you some sites. (please dont join and cause hell for these people though) They just like to talk about guns not argue. (there is a political section though)

i will only post them if you promise no to join there and go piss everyone off.


I go target shooting and hunting. i am not some killer lurking in the shadows with an ar15

Of course I won't be a troublemaker.
But as for my question what will you do if someone attack you ( with fists ) in the street?