Left Wing Club

**poirot** · 07-19-2005, 07:20

Originally Posted by IliaDN

First - if it is important for you - can start membershp list right now and then add there with a help of "Edit" function.
Second - WHAT IS GENERAL PURPOSE OF THIS CLUB?

You have already been added to the list in the first thread. The general purpose of this club is to provide a balance against conservatism and let the world know that liberals and lefties still flourish. It is a place where comrades and comrades can join hands.

Many of you argued against organized liberalism. I disagree. The fragmentation among liberal ranks in the U.S. has resulted in the likes of Bush taking power in the White House.

**IliaDN** · 07-19-2005, 14:44

Ressurection
P.S. We won't let this thread die ...
Oops ... somebody is coming maybe the angry mod ... I would better hide

**scooter_the_shooter** · 07-19-2005, 15:55

Am I left wing enough

Just joking good luck with your club. ONe thing so i am not just spamming your club.

Many of you argued against organized liberalism. I disagree. The fragmentation among liberal ranks in the U.S. has resulted in the likes of Bush taking power in the White House.

We voted bush for a few reasons.

1 you don't switch leaders in the middle of war
2 America does not want a liberal the voting proved that

**PanzerJaeger** · 07-19-2005, 19:14

The pragmatism vs. idealism issue is an interesting one. Actually, I feel that both sides have their areas of pragmatism and idealism.

To me, it's an odd paradox, however. There is a greater ratio of Christians among the Right (let me know if I'm wrong), yet, the Left seems to be guided more by a kind of spirituality, often alluded to as "idealism" by the right. There is a kind of faith, even among those who are self-proclaimed atheists, that the Right doesn't seem to share.

These feelings are just vague notions I get when I read posts in this forum. I can't even specify what the "faith" is in. I just see it as a common thread through the messages. I would suggest that they may be sensitive to what the Chinese call tao, or the flow of the universe/nature. They know in their hearts what's right, and it guides them in their decisions. They feel imbalance, a shift too far in one direction that leads to instability.

This is not to say they aren't pragmatic or logical. In fact, I would say the Left is teeming with analytical types who philosophize about their views. When leftists argue against the evils of excessive capitalism, they most often explain their views in terms of the cause-and-effect of alienating large proportions of society by creating a huge imbalance of haves and have-nots. By creating a world of those who control wealth and those who serve them for subsistence.

That sounds like a pragmatic concern to me.

Possibly the faith you speak of is humanism.

Conservatives are not faithless however. On issues like abortion, even with non-Christians there is a strong sense of moral superiority. Whether thats true is opinion of course.

**Tachikaze** · 07-20-2005, 07:47

Originally Posted by PanzerJager

Possibly the faith you speak of is humanism.

Perhaps. Gotta think about that.

**Demon of Light** · 07-20-2005, 11:07

A long, long time ago I actually started a thread for this sort of club. I did so after I noticed that Gawain's thread was being treated with suspicion and a general lack of participation. Guess what though? The new thread generally suffered from a lack of participation. So much the better if you can keep this going but previous attempts have been plagued by an overall lack of interest.