Left Wing Club

[scooter_the_shooter]

So if a man pulls a knife says "I am gonna get you" you dont think you should be allowed to shoot him??? where did you come up with this logic :dizz :

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Panzer,
I have an American collegue. Once he told me about his grandfather. He was working for a mining company in the mountains somewhere at the eastcoast. There was only one way to get to the mines, a railway, built and owned by the company. There was only one way to live, in the houses of the company. You could only buy in the company stores and the company sold you also your equipment. The company gave you not money but cards to pay at the company stores. He had to borrow money to buy the equipment and he was never able to pay everything back.
I would call this capitalism. But it did not increase the standard of living at least not for the workers. And created dependency.
Do not get me wrong. I am not talking about the US as it is today. I am talking about capitalism.

Sounds more like communism to me to be sure. "I lost my soul to the company store". I love that song.

[King of Atlantis]

I would call this capitalism. But it did not increase the standard of living at least not for the workers.

Doesnt sound like capitalism at all. Capitalism is about competition. It doesn't sound like in this town there was any competition as everything was owend by the company.

[Franconicus]

Doesnt sound like capitalism at all. Capitalism is about competition. It doesn't sound like in this town there was any competition as everything was owend by the company.

No it isn't. As soon as one is strong enough competition is gone.

[JAG]

So if a man pulls a knife says "I am gonna get you" you dont think you should be allowed to shoot him??? where did you come up with this logic :dizz :

No.. You inform the authorities and let them sort it out. You shouldn't go around shooting everyone you disagree with / argue with / get threatened by. That is vigilante justice of which we thought we got rid of in western society centuries ago. It seems however there is an increasing streak in the US for retributive justice done by citizens themselves, as well as citizens thinking they are judge, jury and prosecutor.

[Moros]

Well count me in aswell, I think that on most points I'm left ( a socialist i think) but not on all topics.

Edit: about the gun topic, I'm against guns because I don't think you need one, it will only make things worst.
for example: I've seen a program about this on belgium telly, I can't remeber the numbers but I do know that:
-family tragedies (that's what we call them in Belgium; you know a man kills his children and wife and commits suicide) happen more in families with guns.
this is the same for normal suicides.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

No.. You inform the authorities and let them sort it out.

Is that before or after he slits your throat?

[Moros]

Is that before or after he slits your throat?

most don't if you act cautious and think before you act.
Perhaps some will but allowing guns will make it also much easier for them.
btw: most criminals would attack you before you know what the hell happend so you can't use your gun anyway.

[scooter_the_shooter]

No you cant have a felony and own guns. So no must wouln't. If you outlaw them there will still be some and only criminals would want them. So its best that we let us decent people have them.

All i want to do is go hunting and target shooting. But the government keeps passing all these laws and bans etc. Most gun owners are law abiding people. But they wont leave us the hell alone.

[Gawain of Orkeny]

most don't if you act cautious and think before you act.

Maybe the guys a physco and just wants to kill you. Then what? You cant reason with everyone. Sometimes it comes down to you or them. Ill take me and my gun everytime thank you. One day liberals will return to living in the real world.

[Moros]

Maybe the guys a physco and just wants to kill you. Then what? You cant reason with everyone. Sometimes it comes down to you or them. Ill take me and my gun everytime thank you. One day liberals will return to living in the real world.

well a psyco or not, psychos aren't stupid, I bet they'll ambush you or attack you from behind BEFORE you'll be able to shoot them. They don't come right to you and say: hello I am going to shoot within 1 minut starting from...now.
No they do so by surprise. And then they pick your gun to.
So they will start of with a knife and because of you, woohoo, they have a knife.

[ThijsP]

No you cant have a felony and own guns. So no must wouln't. If you outlaw them there will still be some and only criminals would want them. So its best that we let us decent people have them.

All i want to do is go hunting and target shooting. But the government keeps passing all these laws and bans etc. Most gun owners are law abiding people. But they wont leave us the hell alone.

When guns are outlawed only crimanals and the police would have them, and it will be allot more difficult for criminals to get them. Just let the police do the crimefighting and the judge dicide the punishments.

Here you can own a gun and go target shooting (there is a shooting club in my neighbourhood) but you can't take your gun to your house. And you can go hunting with hail guns (altough there isn't much to shoot).

[scooter_the_shooter]

I am a decent person i have done nothing wrong. I will NOT let them take my property. When they come to take them they can have the bullets first. Alot of americans feel this way.

[scooter_the_shooter]

No.. You inform the authorities and let them sort it out. You shouldn't go around shooting everyone you disagree with / argue with / get threatened by. That is vigilante justice of which we thought we got rid of in western society centuries ago. It seems however there is an increasing streak in the US for retributive justice done by citizens themselves, as well as citizens thinking they are judge, jury and prosecutor.

So if you are carrying a gun (you are allowed in most states in america) A mugger phyco etc has a knife says "i am gonna get you"and comes after you. You dont shoot.


wth are you gonna do, call 911 and wait 15 minutes. I am sure he will sit on the side walk and wait for the police

And it would be best for society if he was dead or seriously wounded because.... If he does it to you and gets away with it, he will do it again.