Left Wing Club

**IliaDN** · 08-03-2005, 19:21

Why do humanitas are considered to be lefties?

**Sjakihata** · 08-03-2005, 19:51

They are not amongst themselves, but they are by conservatives. Simply, because humanism oppose cruelty, such as death penalty etc.
So in the eye of the conservative the humanists are whimps or liberals. Everyone not agreeing with a con is a liberal - in their little world.

**IliaDN** · 08-03-2005, 19:56

So in your opnion such things as death penalty oppose socialism, and socialist can't kill his enemy?

**Sjakihata** · 08-03-2005, 23:17

dude, that wasnt what I said, was it?

Oh, and socialism is more economic. We also need to look at the social issues. You can believe in the socialist monetary system, and still believe in death penalty.

Social policy and economics, two different things.

Although, generally I believe most socialist oppose the death penalty, taken from personal experience, and isnt valid as such.

**Crazed Rabbit** · 08-03-2005, 23:49

I don't intend to sound patronizing, but when it comes to the understanding of economics I have more faith in Jeremy Rifkin (considering his credentials) than in you (please correct me if I am wrong - but have you studied economics?)

I've taken micro and macro econ AP (advanced placement) classes and got a 4 and a 5 on the AP tests (out of 5).

I think most people realized by now that this

is rather some kind of mantra that tells us how the "market" should work in an ideal world. Reality usually looks different.
You see the same flawed logic on stock markets. Ideally the capital markets would always set a afir value for listed companies . I think we all now that reality looks slightly different

Yes, but the flawed logic will correct itself. Those who judge company's worth correctly will be rewarded, those who don't won't have as much to spend next time, but will be wiser.

The fair distribution is not an issue of economy. You can measure if someone needs a good with his willingness to pay for it. That means if a millionaire is willing (and able) to pay for his 5th ship, he needs it. If a poor woman cannot afford to buy bread for her children, she does not need it.
Certainly you are free to chose another job. But that does the distribution of wealth not fair. There are no equal opportunities.

I think we aren't using the same meaning of 'fair distribution'. I consider fair distribution to be people being paid according to what they have earned, while you, I think, believe fair distribution to be the goods being handed out according to need. The problem with your interpretation is that it does not encourage people to work harder and thus earn more, but rather to be needier and get more.

And I don't understand how being able to pay for a good means one needs it.

Finally, the economy, as I am sure you know, is a vastly complex thing. Yet some people think they can control it and bend it to their will, just by adding some laws.

Compared to Germany the US has no middle class. And the gap of incomes is immense.

Somehow, I just don't buy that. Do you think noone makes between $25k and $150k a year? I may just live here, but...

Crazed Rabbit

**Ser Clegane** · 08-04-2005, 08:15

Originally Posted by Crazed Rabbit

I've taken micro and macro econ AP (advanced placement) classes and got a 4 and a 5 on the AP tests (out of 5).

Oh ... that surely puts you into the position to judge his understanding of economics.

Yes, but the flawed logic will correct itself. Those who judge company's worth correctly will be rewarded, those who don't won't have as much to spend next time, but will be wiser.

Not really - during the hightech-bubble time most money was actually made by incorrectly judging the values of companies - and being lucky enough that there were enough people to believe in the hype for a ,long enough type.

An extreme bust-to-boom (and vice-versa) economy and (at best) "correcting the flawed logic" after the damage has been done hardly has enything to do with "always fairly distributing the fruits".

I hope they teach you more than catchphrases in AP classes.

**IliaDN** · 08-04-2005, 10:20

Originally Posted by Sjakihata

dude, that wasnt what I said, was it?

Just cleared it out.

**IliaDN** · 08-18-2005, 06:52

If somebody still visits this place here is my quetion: can communism be reached through nationalism, or not?

**Soulforged** · 08-18-2005, 08:19

There is no reason for saying no. But the thing is that eventually all forms of separation have to be wiped out, and i mean actual separation, like a Constitution, government, frontier. Not ideal separation, nationalism in it's good way should be accepted.