Nations of Warriors- round 2

[King of Atlantis]

Well i have carried on the top nations of the other thread and added some big ones i left out..

edit-please dont vote other for a nation that got bumbed cause im really trying to see what nation people vote first.

I voted germanic cause they can include, vikings, english, normans, germans, and french.

Explanation of poll-

I know these are all ethnic groups, but In round one it was almost all nations, but then i realized that its hard to list all the nations so i clumped them into ethnic groups, but nations of warriors sounds better.

again this is round 2, in round one I stated its not really a matter of technology, but more of how they used their technology.

Another factor would be how much they invented for war. For example you must give credit to the europeans for their countless inventions for warfare(guns etc..), but you wouldnt count it against the japanese that their samuri would get blasted away by a cannon.

hope this explanation makes sense.

[PanzerJaeger]

Germans.

From before Roman times to 1945, German peoples have been excellent warriors.

The existence of Prussia, quite possibly the best military state since Sparta, earns it a place on your list. The addition of all the other militaries and states formed by Germanic people put them at the top.

No other modern nation, i believe, has been surrounded by so many other military-industrial complexes and still managed to go on the offensive and win. The military superiority of Germany during both world wars cannot be denied. Despite the fact that the country was lead by nuts with no military foresight whatsoever in both world wars, the German military was still able to pull off great victories and it took the whole world to put them down.

Well thats my case..

[King of Atlantis]

panzer, never would have guessed you would have voted for germans.

[Kagemusha]

Again i say Japanese.My ideal of warrior is Samurai.

[edyzmedieval]

Yes my brother....

I voted the same ~

[The Wizard]

Samurai were no better than knights. Not until the ashigaru was introduced into the Japanese battlefield did discipline become a factor of importance. I say the Germanics -- they have defeated all that came before them and are still doing so today.



~Wiz

[Steppe Merc]

Mongols.

Why do so many people think the Samurai are good? European knights would have crushed them, much less proper a proper Islamic or steppe army.

[Kagemusha]

If you would put european 1500`s swordsman against a samurai european wouldnt have chance weapon like katana which is lighter wield but is the ultimate weapon for slashing could cut straight through european armor,but most likely european swordsman would be dead before he could draw his sword.
And if you guys are talking about tactical warfare what do you think would happen to a group of mounted knights against a pike wall of Yari samurais?

[Steppe Merc]

1500? Who cares about that? Once guns are in the picture, it's pointless. But I doubt that a katana could slash through plate armor. Other than axes, slashing weapons don't tend to pierce armour. Piercing weapons are better at that...

And I think that the mounted knights would win against a bunch of foot soldiers.

[Kagemusha]

1500? Who cares about that? Once guns are in the picture, it's pointless. But I doubt that a katana could slash through plate armor. Other than axes, slashing weapons don't tend to pierce armour. Piercing weapons are better at that...

And I think that the mounted knights would win against a bunch of foot soldiers.

It wouldnt cut the plate but it would cut the chainmail under the plait,another thing is that warrior on plate mail would be clumsy against a warrior with lamellar armor.
About heavy horses against light pike infantry,then you should study litle bit of Swiss against the Knights.

[Steppe Merc]

Swiss is a bit different in my mind. And that brings me to another point: I can't stand the samurai armor. Their lamelar armor isn't very good IMO. It leaves too much exposed, and isn't nearly as good as proper steppe lamelar. What is it made out of? It looks like all horn and wood, without any sort of metal.

[King of Atlantis]

If you would put european 1500`s swordsman against a samurai european wouldnt have chance weapon like katana which is lighter wield but is the ultimate weapon for slashing could cut straight through european armor,but most likely european swordsman would be dead before he could draw his sword.

Firstly a Katana cant cut through plate armor and a you really underestimate a medieval swordsmen for a slow brute, which is far from the truth.

And if you guys are talking about tactical warfare what do you think would happen to a group of mounted knights against a pike wall of Yari samurais?

Number one is it fair to make this match, lets take some french paldins and let them charge some foot samuri, what do you think would happen .

Secondly a fully armored european knight probably could break the samuri pikemen as they can hardly be compared to swiss pikemen.


btw, this thread is getting much less votes than the other thread.

[Incongruous]

HA! What do you think would happen if a unit of say fivehundred mounted knights armed and armoured in the Gothic style, chareged a group of 1000 mounted Samurai armed and armoured in the 15th century style.
I beleiev that teh Samurai would be completely crushed.
Anyways, there was a programme on channel four UK about barbarians of the dark ages, and a a swords expert claimed that Anglo-Saxon blades were just as good if not better that any Katana for slicing a man in two.

[Kagemusha]

HA! What do you think would happen if a unit of say fivehundred mounted knights armed and armoured in the Gothic style, chareged a group of 1000 mounted Samurai armed and armoured in the 15th century style.
I beleiev that teh Samurai would be completely crushed.

I agree to that. Samurai cavalry wasnt really a cavalry how we see it here in Europe.It was a mixture of cavalrymen and infantry.When charged by Gothic cavalry they would brake.But for the others:I dont have really any evidence to back my opinion on this one,but nor have you.So its really a matter of opinion.We can speculate until the end of world with this one,but i rather suggest that we wait and see how the poll turns out.

[Csargo]

germanic

[PittBull260]

lol why is USA on the list?................

[Gregoshi]

lol why is USA on the list?................

There was a rather lengthy debate on this in the first version of this thread, so I think the US was included as a result.

[Incongruous]

Hmph! can't see why it is though.

[King of Atlantis]

There was a rather lengthy debate on this in the first version of this thread, so I think the US was included as a result.

yes, I added any nation that was recommended before i made this thread. Plus, as i said earlier a soldier can be a warrior too. Being a warrior simply means the spirit that you fight with. Many American soldiers could be considered modern warriors and america's soldiers are of very high quality.

[Marquis of Roland]

Wow, this things been going on for two threads already.

How about we simplify it down to:

You have a coliseum.

You can put any 2 individuals from any country with his indigenous weapon from whatever era he was from (which means you can have 11th century knight vs. 14th century knight if you want).

No missile weapons.

No vehicles/animals.

Who'd win the championship?