OBITUARY for an old friend

[King of Atlantis]

But i also see our societys breaking up from inside.Many people doesnt have any roots.They are alone in this world.More and more people are taking medicine because of depression.People ar burning out under 40 years old.Good things have happened,but not only good things.

True, it seems man will always be man and we will always have our short-commings

[scooter_the_shooter]

i think the 50s(in america) was an ideal time if you take away the racism and communism.

It was conservative

very few divorces

america was the strongest

america had a growing economy

not much crime

the list goes on

[Marshal Murat]

Without communist, wouldn't that be nice world....
Now, divorces seem widespread, almost epidemic.
I mean, if you marry someone, and then realize a couple of years later, that they're not right for you, why marry them?
Common sense was killed when they had to make warning labels for everything, and anything.
My friend once said, "if they have a warning label on it, then someone has tried it."

What idiot decides to put a plastic bag on his head.
Decides to throw a brick at a bullet proof window.
Says to themselves, "Hey, while I'm taking a shower, I can dry my hair, why not do so, it will save me time?"
Decides to put rat poison on their food, because it kills rats, not humans!

[Gawain of Orkeny]

i think the 50s(in america) was an ideal time if you take away the racism and communism.

The 50s was America at its greatest. Yes we had a few problems but it was a much better palce than it is today. 40 years of liberalism have made a mess.

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Hail the mighty conservatives!

[King of Atlantis]

i think the 50s(in america) was an ideal time if you take away the racism and communism.

Well taking out racism is a very large thing to take out. Ask a black man if the if the america was better before the civil rights movement(very much a liberal movement )

[Louis VI the Fat]

Common sense has been rightfully mistrusted ever since the nazi's ravaged Europe with their 'gesundes Volksempfinden'.

Common sense is more often than not a euphemism for underbelly emotions. I prefer some good old-fashioned rational thinking over common sense.

[scooter_the_shooter]

Well taking out racism is a very large thing to take out. Ask a black man if the if the america was better before the civil rights movement(very much a liberal movement )

No that wasn't liberal


that was black people wanting equal treatment which is common sense

[Gawain of Orkeny]

Well taking out racism is a very large thing to take out. Ask a black man if the if the america was better before the civil rights movement

The civil rights movement has always been a republican issue until recently. I think most blacks in the north were far better off than they are now in the 50s. In fact I have no doubt of it. Down south the story was different . I didnt say we were perfect but we were much better than we are today in so many ways.

very much a liberal movement

Was Ike a liberal? It has always been led by those damned christains that everyone on the left complains about all the time.

[King of Atlantis]

Was Ike a liberal? It has always been led by those damned christains that everyone on the left complains about all the time.

It was always opposed by conservative christians. And besides many, many christians are liberal, my self, preacher, and pretty much my whole church, included.

[King Henry V]

Oh, puh-leeeeze...

Conservatives lose any claim to adhering common sense when they make this argument:

"We are not discriminating against homosexuals. They are allowed to marry somebody of the opposite sex just like everybody else in the country. Too bad for them if they are not attracted to the sex we dictate they must wed themselves to, or not wed at all."

Oh, wait, I thought of an even better one:

"If we let gays marry, then fathers will want to marry their underage daughters right after they finish buggering the family cat, and we'll have to let them."

Oops, hang on, thought of another one:

"By bombing an Arab country that had no connection to 9/11 back to the stone-age and alienating an entire generation of Muslim youth so as to swell the ranks of extremist terrorist organizations, we are actually reducing the threat of terrorist attacks against ourselves."

And you have the pills to say "we conservative members of the org, who stand for common sense..."???

Whatever...

What I meant was that conservatives are generally against the culture of blaming and sueing people just because the "victim" is stupid. It is the liberals who generally support the "I know my rights" claim.

[Goofball]

Oh, puh-leeeeze...

Conservatives lose any claim to adhering common sense when they make this argument:

"We are not discriminating against homosexuals. They are allowed to marry somebody of the opposite sex just like everybody else in the country. Too bad for them if they are not attracted to the sex we dictate they must wed themselves to, or not wed at all."

Oh, wait, I thought of an even better one:

"If we let gays marry, then fathers will want to marry their underage daughters right after they finish buggering the family cat, and we'll have to let them."

Oops, hang on, thought of another one:

"By bombing an Arab country that had no connection to 9/11 back to the stone-age and alienating an entire generation of Muslim youth so as to swell the ranks of extremist terrorist organizations, we are actually reducing the threat of terrorist attacks against ourselves."

And you have the pills to say "we conservative members of the org, who stand for common sense..."???

Whatever...

What I meant was that conservatives are generally against the culture of blaming and sueing people just because the "victim" is stupid. It is the liberals who generally support the "I know my rights" claim.

Well if that is what you meant, then you are still generally incorrect.

[scooter_the_shooter]

I think both conservatives and liberal are against junk law suits.

like the mcdonalds thing.

Or suing the firearm industry because some one was shot with one of the guns they made??

those kind of lawsuits are ridiculous

[Redleg]

Oh, puh-leeeeze...

Conservatives lose any claim to adhering common sense when they make this argument:

Time to have a little fun at your expense now.

"We are not discriminating against homosexuals. They are allowed to marry somebody of the opposite sex just like everybody else in the country. Too bad for them if they are not attracted to the sex we dictate they must wed themselves to, or not wed at all."

Oh please that is not even the arguement and you know it. Liberials lost their common sense when they resort to hyperbole when anyone disagrees with their arguement.

Oh, wait, I thought of an even better one:

"If we let gays marry, then fathers will want to marry their underage daughters right after they finish buggering the family cat, and we'll have to let them."

Again hyperbole - Liberial common sense has died when they respond to legal arguements with nothing but emotional rethoric and hyperbole such as this.

Oops, hang on, thought of another one:


"By bombing an Arab country that had no connection to 9/11 back to the stone-age and alienating an entire generation of Muslim youth so as to swell the ranks of extremist terrorist organizations, we are actually reducing the threat of terrorist attacks against ourselves."

Oh look - again hyperbole - Shows that the death of common sense was truely caused by liberials who counter every arguement not with facts or statistics but with emotional hyperbole in an attempt not to argue the facts but in an attempt to be little others with an opposing viewpoint - yep common sense died an ugly death many years ago

And you have the pills to say "we conservative members of the org, who stand for common sense..."???

Whatever...

And the pot calling the kettle black once again -

[Goofball]

Time to have a little fun at your expense now.

Well, God knows I love a good bit of fun, no matter at whose expense it comes. But I'm afraid that (as usual), you're going to have the charges reversed on you Red.

"We are not discriminating against homosexuals. They are allowed to marry somebody of the opposite sex just like everybody else in the country. Too bad for them if they are not attracted to the sex we dictate they must wed themselves to, or not wed at all."

Oh please that is not even the arguement and you know it. Liberials lost their common sense when they resort to hyperbole when anyone disagrees with their arguement.

That's not the argument, eh? Let's have a look at when it has been used in past threads:

Well, they can do what Gawain can do - marry a member of the opposite sex.

and:

Gays can marry a women/man(depending on their sex) just like any other american.

There are many more examples, but I'll stop there.

Oh, wait, I thought of an even better one:

"If we let gays marry, then fathers will want to marry their underage daughters right after they finish buggering the family cat, and we'll have to let them."

Again hyperbole - Liberial common sense has died when they respond to legal arguements with nothing but emotional rethoric and hyperbole such as this.

Again, no exaggeration in what I said. From a previous gay marriage thread:

Whats to stop people who choose to "love" animals or family members from pushing for legislation?

and:

And if we say that gay marriage is legal, what would stop animal marriages?

I mean there is very sexy looking trashcan across the street, but im not allowed to marry it.

Hyperbole, eh Red? That guy couldn't even limit the insulting rhetoric to bestiality, he even suggested that gay marriage was comparable to shagging a garbage can.

Conservative common sense indeed...

Oops, hang on, thought of another one:


"By bombing an Arab country that had no connection to 9/11 back to the stone-age and alienating an entire generation of Muslim youth so as to swell the ranks of extremist terrorist organizations, we are actually reducing the threat of terrorist attacks against ourselves."

Oh look - again hyperbole

Okay, I'll grant you that I exaggerated a little there. You haven't really bombed Iraq back to the stone-age. Strike that part out and replace it with "invaded them and laid waste to a good part of their country" and now there is no hyperbole.

Shows that the death of common sense was truely caused by liberials who counter every arguement not with facts or statistics but with emotional hyperbole in an attempt not to argue the facts but in an attempt to be little others with an opposing viewpoint

Yes, us damned liberals with our emotional arguments. We should stop that and use unemotional conservative arguments like "If you take away my guns how will I defend myself when a drug-crazed axe-murderer breaks into my house," and "people will marry their trash-cans if we let gays marry each other."

Break out your cheque-book, Red, this fun is on you...

[scooter_the_shooter]

goof you are wrong


king of atlantis is a socialist not a conservative so that doesn't count



and how will i defend my self when that druggy comes if i have no gun. Police response in my area is a round 20 minutes.

[Goofball]

goof you are wrong


king of atlantis is a socialist not a conservative so that doesn't count

When it comes to the issue of gay marriage, KOA has clearly demonstrated himself to be a social conservative. At any rate, the bestiality/underage/incest slippery slope argument has been used by conservatives in this forum since the very first discussion about gay marriage.

and how will i defend my self when that druggy comes if i have no gun. Police response in my area is a round 20 minutes.

I didn't say it was an invalid argument, I said it was an emotional argument that employed the very hyperbole that I was being accused of. That's where Red and I differ. He seems to believe that any argument involving emotion (at least when others are using it) has no validity. I disagree.

[Redleg]

Well, God knows I love a good bit of fun, no matter at whose expense it comes. But I'm afraid that (as usual), you're going to have the charges reversed on you Red.

Nice try - but again your attempting to generalize all conservatives into a lumb based upon two - and one is not even a stated conservative.

That's not the argument, eh? Let's have a look at when it has been used in past threads:

And again you generalized - and again that is not the arguement used by all. The attempt at hyperbole still stands

Again, no exaggeration in what I said. From a previous gay marriage thread:

Hyperbole, eh Red? That guy couldn't even limit the insulting rhetoric to bestiality, he even suggested that gay marriage was comparable to shagging a garbage can.[/quote]

Again your attempting to lumb all conservatives into the same group - a generalization on your part. And then as someone has mentioned one of the individuals quoted is not a conservative in his opinion. Generalizations are always a downfall - a trap you like to point out to others - but often fall into yourself. (and I am also guilty of doing this.

Conservative common sense indeed...

Some have it others do not - however once again your attempting to generalize and using hyperbole to attemp to make your point.

Okay, I'll grant you that I exaggerated a little there. You haven't really bombed Iraq back to the stone-age. Strike that part out and replace it with "invaded them and laid waste to a good part of their country" and now there is no hyperbole.

Getting there - but not quite there.

Yes, us damned liberals with our emotional arguments. We should stop that and use unemotional conservative arguments like "If you take away my guns how will I defend myself when a drug-crazed axe-murderer breaks into my house," and "people will marry their trash-cans if we let gays marry each other."

Neither arguement has ever spouted from my conservative fingers - so again generalizations, and hyperbole on your part in trying to generalize and villianify a group that doesn't see the world the exact same way that you do.

You didn't like my little hyperbole at all - but it seems that you enjoy doing it on a constant basis and then get upset.

Break out your cheque-book, Red, this fun is on you...

Not yet - at best we are going dutch.

[Goofball]

You didn't like my little hyperbole at all - but it seems that you enjoy doing it on a constant basis and then get upset.

Peace, Red. I know emotional state doesn't come through very well on-screen, so let me assure you that I am not upset and that I quite enjoy our little bouts.



But if you want to see conservative hyperbole, just go look at the current gay marriage thread that is raging here:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=51077

The usual conservative suspects are in there as we speak using the same arguments that I paraphrased in my first post. Yes, you are right, they do not represent all conservatives. But as I have heard those arguments come more or less verbatim from many conservatives, I can not help but think that they are widely held conservative beliefs.

Maybe I'm wrong though.

Not yet - at best we are going dutch.

Sounds good to me. Rock/paper/scissors to see who buys the dinner and who pays for the booze?

[Redleg]

Peace, Red. I know emotional state doesn't come through very well on-screen, so let me assure you that I am not upset and that I quite enjoy our little bouts.



But if you want to see conservative hyperbole, just go look at the current gay marriage thread that is raging here:

https://forums.totalwar.org/vb/showthread.php?t=51077

The usual conservative suspects are in there as we speak using the same arguments that I paraphrased in my first post. Yes, you are right, they do not represent all conservatives. But as I have heard those arguments come more or less verbatim from many conservatives, I can not help but think that they are widely held conservative beliefs.

Maybe I'm wrong though.

Well they are incorrect in my opinion - and soon I will have to voice my opinion on the subject in that thread - but I try to limit my serious discussion to only 2-4 threads now - so I don't get worked up anymore.

Sounds good to me. Rock/paper/scissors to see who buys the dinner and who pays for the booze?

I'll buy the dinner - you buy the booze.

[Goofball]

I'll buy the dinner - you buy the booze.

Damn. I knew I was going to get screwed there somehow...

[KafirChobee]

FYI, Thomas Paines - Common Sense:

http://www.earlyamerica/milestones/c...ense/text.html

May just want to browse it, or leap to "Thought of the present state of American affairs". But, it is remarkable how somethings still retain their meaning after centuries.


As for the 1950's being "the" idealistic period of (in) American history? I suppose there can be a palpable arguement for that. As long as we ignore the realities of it. The continuing government support for suppressing the rights of blacks - Ike sent troops South to help the National Guard there keepp Blacks in their place. I still recall seeing the firehoses turned on those brave enough to protest the denial of their rights. I also remember the "Whites ONLY" - "Colored ONLY" signs. Further, under Ike we were in a recession - though inpart due to the Korean war and our rebuilding of (assistance to) Europe. Sure, few in small communities locked their doors - 'til a family was murdered in Kansas and we didn't have 1% of our people in prison or jail. But, we had a cold war and the kids were being taught to "duck and cover" (in case the Ruskys attacked us - though we were much more aggressive in some forms of our Jingoism).

Still, there was more of a sense of community. Divorce was just beginning to become the rage (hey, messed up with whom you wed? Divorce and try again) and most people still attended religious services of some form - 'til the religious leaders started telling them what they ought to think and what being a true believer really was.

Was it a simpler time? Sure if you were middle-class and white. Was it the best of times? Well, my Grandad said that was 1910. Damn Rock&Roll messed everything up. Of course his father thought it was the flappers and jazz that did that.

Common sense. Being under an umbrella doesn't make one safe from lightning.

[KafirChobee]

http://www.earlyamerica/milestones/c...ense/text.html

ooops

[KafirChobee]

Rackin' fracker .... sorry. That was the link.

[KafirChobee]

Rackin' fracker .... sorry. That was the link.


OOOOOOOPs.

http://earlyamerica.com/milestones/c...ense/text.html