Turkey into EU or not ?

**Tiger_Tamerlane** · 07-20-2005, 11:27

Since 1963 the EU have promised the turkey that they can join.
They have wished many things from the turkey.The Turkey have paid
the prise and still doing it.That`s one of the causes why the turkey
havent had grow so fast as many eastasian countrys.
Now must pay the EU the bill, will be a interest question if they do it.
Or if they show how pharisee the EU is in true

Im in origin turk,and i will not that the turkey join the EU.
I will a independet turkey politic ,wich is only for TURK interest`s.
Not for european interest.I hope that the EU will say "NO" and then the
turkey can do what good is for the turkey,without any recard of any
european interest`s.

**Tiger_Tamerlane** · 07-20-2005, 11:34

PS : The european project is dead.To many country ,to many interest.
And the system havent get modernised.The demographic factor shows
that the Eurpean will be a "Old" ppl comunity in 25 years.With all the implements
that that will have in his economy.The asia country still growing.And the
Pacific Country getting the core of the world economy (China,USA,Japan,Australia).The atlantik getting to be pheripehiria.
In the near east ,turkey inclusive, 50 % of the ppl are under 24 years.
They have a good part of they producitve life in front of them. Why joining
the EU and aid this "old" ppl comunity in 20-25 years ???? The idea of joining
was good 1960 ,but now 2005 with the look in the future,its crazy for
the turkey to join the EU,it can`t profite so much from it.It will be
a burden for the turkey,nothing else.

**Tiger_Tamerlane** · 07-20-2005, 11:37

Look the STAT`s plz.The studys about how the world will be in
25-50 years.All showing the same,the european star is not sinking,its
sunken.The Power of this world will be concentrate in Asia.Not in European,the
times are over.The world coming there ,where it was before the 17-19th Century.The World Power coming home,to asia.

**King Henry V** · 07-20-2005, 14:22

Well if the Turks don't want to join either, then everything's cozy for me! Further reasons for me include: Border with Iraq and other countries which could in the future harbour terrorism. If Turkey upon accession signs the Schengen Agreement, by which all common borders between EU countries are abolished, terrorists could easily slip through a hard to police border, and thus the rest of Europe could be open.

We have really differencies with Kurdish society. And there is an endless conflict between two nations since the foundation of Turkey.

Why not just give them independance? Surely a minority 13 million strong has the right to an independant homeland? Or is that what the Turkish politicians and cetain members like to deny, such as the Armenian Genocide?

**Tiger_Tamerlane** · 07-20-2005, 14:25

Thats what i mean m8.hehe
no border for european with iran/irak/syria.
hehe
independet politic for turkey
Why cant the turkey build up a new islamic alliance with the iran then ?
Hehe,why cant the turkey build then a islamic atomebomb then ,hehe ?
will be nice then.
A Turkey with a independet politics.Islamic,Atomebomb and maybe
not so friendly to the west

Great !!! GO ON M8s !!!!
Not European !! Islamic Power "!!!
Iran*1000 = Turkey in the near future.WILL BE NICE !!

**Tiger_Tamerlane** · 07-20-2005, 14:30

Then the split of the Islamic World have a end and the Chalif is back soon.
Since 500 years Istanbul and the turks where the middle of the Islamic world,
maybe we can back to our routs and be a supreme power their

That`s a much better alternative for the turkey as to be a junior partner
in the EU and its much better for the islamic world too.
Then European have no border with IRAK/Iran/Syria.But European will
end then for sure at the gates of Istanbul,in all dimesions.A good step
to reduce the diplomtic power of Europe in the world.
Welcome m8,in a complex world.If u dont understand it,maybe it will be
better if ur think about in a greater combination and not in this
details,how u do it.

**Tiger_Tamerlane** · 07-20-2005, 14:34

Scotland,Northirland,Korsica,Sardinien,Baskenland,Wales .......
The list is endless in europe too.Why u give this ppl not independence ?
And have u ask anytime why the turkish army have march in on
Cybrus ? Anyone have ask what happened before the genoizide ?
That`s not interest or ?
Why not ?
Because u have only one dimension of the things,u never see the other side.
Only the chrisitian fundemantal side.Europe is not modern for me,was it never.
And i know his history ,his political system.

**King Henry V** · 07-20-2005, 14:58

Originally Posted by Tiger_Tamerlane

Thats what i mean m8.hehe
no border for european with iran/irak/syria.
hehe
independet politic for turkey
Why cant the turkey build up a new islamic alliance with the iran then ?
Hehe,why cant the turkey build then a islamic atomebomb then ,hehe ?
will be nice then.
A Turkey with a independet politics.Islamic,Atomebomb and maybe
not so friendly to the west

Great !!! GO ON M8s !!!!
Not European !! Islamic Power "!!!
Iran*1000 = Turkey in the near future.WILL BE NICE !!

Great we have an Islamic extremist who advocates the threat/use of an atomic bomb to get his political desires. And he spams by cutting up one post into three.

Scotland,Northirland,Korsica,Sardinien,Baskenland, Wales .......
The list is endless in europe too.Why u give this ppl not independence ?

Because the situation is not quite so dire as they plant bombs in to kill people. A desperate situation sometimes calls for desperate remedy.

Because u have only one dimension of the things,u never see the other side.

Isn't that the kettle calling the pot black?

**Louis VI the Fat** · 07-20-2005, 15:37

Originally Posted by Tiger_Tamerlane

Thats what i mean m8.hehe
no border for european with iran/irak/syria.
hehe
Why cant the turkey build up a new islamic alliance with the iran then ?
Hehe,why cant the turkey build then a islamic atomebomb then ,hehe ?
will be nice then.
A Turkey with a independet politics.Islamic,Atomebomb and maybe
not so friendly to the west

Great !!! GO ON M8s !!!!
Not European !! Islamic Power "!!!
Iran*1000 = Turkey in the near future.WILL BE NICE !!

Best of luck with your ayatollah friends, m8.

Mind if we're not to keen on having a Turkey where this sort of sentiment is still rife joining us?

the Chalif is back soon

Nope. The followers of Mustapha Kemal Atatürk won't have it.

Personally, I think Turkey is both western and eastern. Modern and backwards.
A bewildering mix of Europe and Asia. It reminds me a bit of Russia in many respects, I'm often not quite sure what to make of it. But at the end of the day, like Russia, Turkey is too big and too 'Eurasian' to join the EU.

A good web of trade agreements and social, economic, environmental, military cooperation to our mutual benefit will suffice.
I like the Turks that I've met and I hope their country prospers, but we share neither a common past nor a common destiny.

*Where's Mouzzaphere when you need him? We need the voice of Turkish reason.*

**LeftEyeNine** · 07-20-2005, 16:22

Why not just give them independance? Surely a minority 13 million strong has the right to an independant homeland? Or is that what the Turkish politicians and cetain members like to deny, such as the Armenian Genocide?

Since you do not live in Turkey, you just can't get how thing are f***ed up with Kurds. I could tell about their disgusting way of life till morning if we ever had the chance to chat or meet. And one Kurd would tell you about what kind of poverty he / she is dealing with.

Kurds will never and ever find independence neither in Turkey nor any where on the world they live. Because one community becomes a "nation" when they have the conscious of being a nation, that's a sociological fundamental. Kurds have never had an independent country of their own, all thorugh the history. Even their descendants are sitll suspicious by historians.

And let me tell you that the wealthy Kurds living in Turkey say "What indepedence? What Kurdistan? Joking or what?". The chaos is created by those dealing with extreme poverty where PKK feeds himself by.

Aah, if we could ever meet King Henry V. I'd let you knock down what's wrong with what you know about Turks.

By the way, that guy talking about the Caliphate or something with Turkey, no, followers of Mustafa Kemal Ataturk will never let you do it as one friend said..

**lancelot** · 07-20-2005, 20:35

Originally Posted by Tiger_Tamerlane

Why cant the turkey build up a new islamic alliance with the iran then ?
Hehe,why cant the turkey build then a islamic atomebomb then ,hehe ?
will be nice then.
A Turkey with a independet politics.Islamic,Atomebomb and maybe
not so friendly to the west

Great !!! GO ON M8s !!!!
Not European !! Islamic Power "!!!
Iran*1000 = Turkey in the near future.WILL BE NICE !!

What the hell does turkey need an atomic bomb for?!?! To bully other nations with perhaps??? How enlightened...

I doubt turkey will ever be a threat to europe, mate....ever.

Furthermore, turkey wants to be in the EU...seems like your 'views' are in the minority.

By the way, ever heard of the M.A.D theorem???

Take your atomic theories back to the 50's where they belong.

@BDC. Good god man, thats the last thing we need! We have one of the densest populations as it is. Cheap labour only benefits big buisiness who take advantage of workers and corrupt the progress of worker's rights.

**BDC** · 07-20-2005, 21:00

@BDC. Good god man, thats the last thing we need! We have one of the densest populations as it is. Cheap labour only benefits big buisiness who take advantage of workers and corrupt the progress of worker's rights.

Yes because we aren't going to have a horrific issue with a massive population drawing pensions and a tiny working population in a few years are we? Wait, we are! And flesh blood brings fresh ideas and innovation, which bring money.

**Meneldil** · 07-20-2005, 21:03

Don, I'm like 98% sure of it. He was the only french politician to agree with Turkey entering into the EU.
And when I say only, I mean that even his own party was against it.