Turkey into EU or not ?

**Meneldil** · 07-20-2005, 16:31

Don, actually, Chirac was one of the few European leaders to claim that Turkey deserved to enter the EU. You know, that's part of his "get along with all the muslims" international policy.

Right now, I don't really want of Turkey in the EU. If the country was still ruled by someone like Ataturk, I would have no problem, but there's now a lot of islamist nuts there, and we already have enough of them in EU.

On the other hand I think EU is a great chance for Turkey. It would help this country to get more wealthier.

**Don Corleone** · 07-20-2005, 16:43

Meneldil,
I know he was in favor of Turkish membership at one point, but I thought he personally was the guy who blocked the initial votes to grant them 'exploratory' status, or whatever you call it when you're just being considered. And I thought it was because they didn't stand w/ France & Germany against the US on Iraq. I could have my facts knockered, won't be the first or the last time.

**A.Saturnus** · 07-20-2005, 19:06

Historically, west-Anatolya was always more European than Asian. That means that half of the population of Turkey is already European. In addition, Turkey is as a secular country quite Western, certainly compared to its Arabian and Persian neighbours. Its economy is growing and its population young and motivated. It still has along way to go, but it has made tremendous leaps in the last years. It would be a shame if the only thing that stops it from joining were prejudice and racism on European side.

**Kagemusha** · 07-20-2005, 19:25

I have nothing against Turkey eventually joining EU.But now EU isnt ready for it we should digest Eastern European countries first.

**BDC** · 07-20-2005, 19:56

Bring them in. We need the labour, and it's better them in than hanging about with that messy middle-eastern crowd.

**lancelot** · 07-20-2005, 20:35

Originally Posted by Tiger_Tamerlane

Why cant the turkey build up a new islamic alliance with the iran then ?
Hehe,why cant the turkey build then a islamic atomebomb then ,hehe ?
will be nice then.
A Turkey with a independet politics.Islamic,Atomebomb and maybe
not so friendly to the west

Great !!! GO ON M8s !!!!
Not European !! Islamic Power "!!!
Iran*1000 = Turkey in the near future.WILL BE NICE !!

What the hell does turkey need an atomic bomb for?!?! To bully other nations with perhaps??? How enlightened...

I doubt turkey will ever be a threat to europe, mate....ever.

Furthermore, turkey wants to be in the EU...seems like your 'views' are in the minority.

By the way, ever heard of the M.A.D theorem???

Take your atomic theories back to the 50's where they belong.

@BDC. Good god man, thats the last thing we need! We have one of the densest populations as it is. Cheap labour only benefits big buisiness who take advantage of workers and corrupt the progress of worker's rights.

**BDC** · 07-20-2005, 21:00

@BDC. Good god man, thats the last thing we need! We have one of the densest populations as it is. Cheap labour only benefits big buisiness who take advantage of workers and corrupt the progress of worker's rights.

Yes because we aren't going to have a horrific issue with a massive population drawing pensions and a tiny working population in a few years are we? Wait, we are! And flesh blood brings fresh ideas and innovation, which bring money.

**Meneldil** · 07-20-2005, 21:03

Don, I'm like 98% sure of it. He was the only french politician to agree with Turkey entering into the EU.
And when I say only, I mean that even his own party was against it.

**King Henry V** · 07-21-2005, 11:12

Originally Posted by LeftEyeNine

Aah, if we could ever meet King Henry V. I'd let you knock down what's wrong with what you know about Turks.

So that means you would correct me with your state processed version of history?

**Dâriûsh** · 07-21-2005, 11:35

Assalamu Alaikum, LeftEyeNine.

I’m not against a future admission of Turkey into the EU, or perhaps another sort of agreement. But I’m worried about current human rights issues and the influence of the Turkish military.

@lancelot
Regarding the whole European “they’ll flood us with cheap labor” argument, isn’t that what they said about Spain prior to 1986?

**LeftEyeNine** · 07-21-2005, 12:36

Originally Posted by King Henry V

So that means you would correct me with your state processed version of history?

You do not know what kind of life we have here, do you ?

It is not that "so give them independence"-easy thing we are dealing with Kurds over here, do you know that ?

Encyclopedic paragraphs do not write that nor my so-called state processed history does. When it is the Kurd thing, it is a lot more than an outsider's historical geekness. BEcause the Kurd issue is not a historical one anymore.

Briefly, you may be excelled at history, but that's not I would tell you about.

However, forget it. I broke my promise about the thread several times and will try not to do that again because the discussion here goes a lot interesting an quality as I expected.

**rasoforos** · 07-21-2005, 13:29

Kurdish people have been forcibly repatriated. Kurdish language was illegal and is still discouraged. 20% of the country's population are Kurds. Its time some people stop chewing on internal propaganda. I think the best solution is a federated Turkey where Kurdistan will not be independent but will enjoy a high level of autonomy. As long as people in Turkey dont realise that they will keep having internal problems. The Kurds somehow managed to escape the ethnic cleansing withing Turkey and some people in power never forgot that...

And of course the problem with Cyprus is there. As long as they occupy 40% of the country, EU territory now, they dont stand a chance. The stubborness of a bunch of military generals is costing Turkey its future today.

And lets not forget human rights. Turkey has taken great steps and that honours them, however there is still a lot of way to go.

Finally, Turkey has a council of generals with veto power over the parliament. Although the council is not as powerfull as it used to be, its still there. How would a military dictatoship actually fit in the EU?

Having said all that, I do want a Turkey, if out of Cyprus, democratised, with Kurdish people having rights to join the EU. It would be great for investment and would give the EU the chance to explore middle eastern and central Asian markets. It would really speed up the growth of other eastern european EU states as well.

...now i m afraid Turkish growth will be harmed since a lot of people had been expecting them to do the reasonable thing.

**Steppe Merc** · 07-21-2005, 16:13

I think Turkey should be in EU. Perhaps not yet, but evantually, I think it would be best for everyone. And Turkey is certaintly close enough to being in Europe.
Do people view all Russians as European? Because a heck of a lot of that is in Asia. Who cares if a lot of it is in Anatolia, European Union is just a name!