Best map!

**Martok** · 07-24-2005, 21:26

Originally Posted by edyzmedieval

After analyzing,

I say that:

MTW is loads better on all chapters, except graphics.

Discussion ended.

I generally agree, although I have to admit I feel Rome is superior in at least a couple other ways. For one, I think Rome's music and soundtrack is generally better (Medieval's is good too, but Rome's is simply superb).

I also prefer Rome's combat system and interface over Medieval's. Overall, it's easier in Rome's battles to handle and maneuver the various units in your army. On the other hand, units in Rome move way too quickly across the battle maps, and the kill rates are ridiculous. Whereas battles in Medieval tend to drag on a bit, I've never fought a battle in Rome that lasted more than about 5 minutes. Somewhere in between the two games' combat systems, there's a happy medium.....

**King of Atlantis** · 07-24-2005, 21:29

Originally Posted by Martok

I For one, I think Rome's music and soundtrack is generally better (Medieval's is good too, but Rome's is simply superb).

I LOVE the music from VI. The drumming beat is just so motivating when im about to raid some English.

**Evil_Maniac From Mars** · 07-25-2005, 00:52

High five, Atlantis!

**barocca** · 07-25-2005, 02:03

i prefer the RTW map from a graphical point of view

but i prefer to PLAY on the MTW maps

the AI in RTW is not good at handling the map,

RTW - i send a unit to run to a point and it over-runs the mark and turns it's back on the enemy to get to where it was supposed to stop??
and i'm not talking about a few feet here, i'm talking about an entire tile over-run,
i've seen them turn their backs on the enemy a hairsbreadth from the enemy troops - naturally they get charged in the rear,
that is not good.

RTW - i line up my men the way i want em, then tell em to advance and they jumble up and get back into the positions they were in at the start of the battle,
now thats plain bad.

RTW - i tell a unit to flank, and one of it's men gets caught/swipes an enemy and the entire unit stops?
not clever.

RTW - i tell a missile unit to engage H2H and before it does it stops and goes through the missile animation (but does not fire)?
absolutely awful.

thats why i prefer to PLAY MTW.

the RTW map and game is unfair to the AI and uplayable as a consequence, despite liking the look of the RTW map, i voted MTW.

Whats the point of a very groovy map if I dont get to SEE it because i dont play campaign anymore?

B.

**Shadow** · 07-25-2005, 09:59

RTW

Better graphics, you can pincer enemy, ambush, disaster shown on map etc

**Ludens** · 07-25-2005, 13:05

Apart from the AI not being able to deal with it, there is another thing bad about the campaign map and that is the number of possible battlefield generated. Each and every land tile that is not a mountain, dense forest, river or swamp has to be a battlefield: there are thousands of possible battlefield and since they are all generated by the same algorithm they are all quite dull.

S:TW and M:TW on the other hand had "hand-made" battlefields with small hills and little forests you could use to hide troops in. Especially the S:TW battlemaps were very good in terms of placement of these features. On the other hand, R:TW battlemaps tend to be dominated by one big hill or one big forest and that's it. Tactically that is very dull, since there is only one feature you can use (and then the AI doesn't use it well either).

Though the 3D map is very beautiful, the 2D map wins for me if it means the battlefields will be more diverse.

**King of Atlantis** · 07-26-2005, 01:31

Originally Posted by Shadow

RTW

Better graphics, you can pincer enemy, ambush, disaster shown on map etc

yes the rtw war map is very pretty, but as the total war bible says,

thou shall not live on eye candy alone

**Oaty** · 07-26-2005, 04:52

@ barrocca

RTW - i tell a unit to flank, and one of it's men gets caught/swipes an enemy and the entire unit stops?

That's been in all TW games. so that is not RTW specific. Been a while but I believe STW was the worst about this occurrence.

Anyways on topic I prefer the RTW style map. Makes it more realistic as far as how an army moves. This is excluding timeline wich was made that way for gameplay purposes.

**swirly_the_toilet_fish** · 07-26-2005, 04:56

Having only played RTW that was my decision.

However, the 3d landscape draws you into the world and gives you a feel of the terrain and the army movements seem to closely mimic real life movements.

I do think that the map should have been a bit larger, but those reasons are for mods and other topics.

**Strappy Horse** · 07-26-2005, 09:13

Absolutely the RTW map for me.
It adds a whole strategic element that was lacking in MTW. I will admit that the AI does not make complete use of that in RTW, but nevertheless it has enhanced my gameplay.

I had a very enjoyable campaign with the Julii in Spain, maneuvering my armies around the map to make sure they ended up on the right spot, giving me the advantage of terrain in the following battle.

**Geoffrey S** · 07-26-2005, 14:57

I enjoy the way the RTW map gives so many more strategic options, it's a shame the AI isn't really geared up to making that kind of decisions. I loved the style of the old maps though, looking like a proper old fashioned map laid on some conquerer's table.

**Midnight** · 07-26-2005, 19:14

It *should* be the RTW map, but right now it isn't. It looks better, and you have a hell of a lot more tactical freedom... but sadly the AI just cannot deal with it.

So the choice is a groovy-looking map on which I can do lots of things but have virtually no opponent, or a sightly-less-groovy looking one which limits my options but which is actually more challenging (and thus fun). Unless BI makes some *serious* AI improvements, it's got to be MTW's map, because of the AI.

**Martok** · 07-27-2005, 05:24

Originally Posted by Midnight

It *should* be the RTW map, but right now it isn't. It looks better, and you have a hell of a lot more tactical freedom... but sadly the AI just cannot deal with it.

So the choice is a groovy-looking map on which I can do lots of things but have virtually no opponent, or a sightly-less-groovy looking one which limits my options but which is actually more challenging (and thus fun). Unless BI makes some *serious* AI improvements, it's got to be MTW's map, because of the AI.

Excellent way of putting it, Midnight. I couldn't have said it better myself. Rome's map would be better, *if* the AI could handle it.

**Csargo** · 08-10-2005, 02:02

I've never even played the game but from what I saw of my friends map off his game it looked alot better than the MTW map. Not trying to diss the MTW thats the coolest game i've ever played but the RTW map is way better.