First Pope ?

**Coldfish** · 07-20-2005, 10:33

Excuse my lack of knowledge in history....but when the first pope existed ? Was it in 1054 after the great schism or earlyer ?...in BI it will be a pope ?

thanks

**IliaDN** · 07-20-2005, 10:39

As far as I know in 343 A.D.

**Coldfish** · 07-20-2005, 10:41

cool! thanks m8.....if the pope will be a feature in BI....it will be great!!!...more like in M:TW

**Al Khalifah** · 07-20-2005, 11:22

Oh no, a return of the Papacy...

The first Pope to be called Pope rather than "vicar of Christ" or "vicar of Peter" was Pope Gelasius I in 495.
The first leader of the Church to have power over the Emperor was arguably Ambrose who refused to allow Theodosius I to return to the city of Rome without making a public repentance for the massacre in Thessalonica.

**Mahrabals apprentice** · 07-20-2005, 11:50

I don't know who the first pope was, or when it was.
But i do know that the pope spoke to Attila the Hun when he was advancing on Rome, so there may be a pope in BI

**Malrubius** · 07-20-2005, 12:36

Simon Peter is traditionally considered the first Pope by the Roman Catholic Church, as he was given authority by Jesus ("upon this rock I will build my church") and was the leader of the early church.

**caesar44** · 07-20-2005, 14:31

Originally Posted by Malrubius

Simon Peter is traditionally considered the first Pope by the Roman Catholic Church, as he was given authority by Jesus ("upon this rock I will build my church") and was the leader of the early church.

Yes he was . the first "popes" were called Bishops of rome since the first century ce.

St. Peter (32-67)
St. Linus (67-76)
St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
St. Clement I (88-97)
St. Evaristus (97-105)
St. Alexander I (105-115)
St. Sixtus I (115-125) -- also called Xystus I
St. Telesphorus (125-136)
St. Hyginus (136-140)
St. Pius I (140-155)
St. Anicetus (155-166)
St. Soter (166-175)
St. Eleutherius (175-189)
St. Victor I (189-199)
St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
St. Callistus I (217-22)
St. Urban I (222-30)
St. Pontain (230-35)
St. Anterus (235-36)
St. Fabian (236-50)
St. Cornelius (251-53)
St. Lucius I (253-54)
St. Stephen I (254-257)
St. Sixtus II (257-258)
St. Dionysus (260-268)
St. Felix I (269-274)
St. Eutychian (275-283)
St. Caius (283-296) -- also called Gaius
St. Marcellinus (296-304)
St. Marcellus I (308-309)
St. Eusebius (309 or 310)
St. Miltiades (311-14)
St. Sylvester I (314-35)
St. Marcus (336)
St. Julius I (337-52)
Liberius (352-66)
St. Damasus I (366-83)
St. Siricius (384-99)
St. Anastasius I (399-401)
St. Innocent I (401-17)
St. Zosimus (417-18)
St. Boniface I (418-22)
St. Celestine I (422-32)
St. Sixtus III (432-40)
St. Leo I (the Great) (440-61)
St. Hilarius (461-68)
St. Simplicius (468-83)
St. Felix III (II) (483-92)
St. Gelasius I (492-96)
Anastasius II (496-98)
St. Symmachus (498-514)
St. Hormisdas (514-23)
St. John I (523-26)
St. Felix IV (III) (526-30)
Boniface II (530-32)
John II (533-35)
St. Agapetus I (535-36) -- also called Agapitus I
St. Silverius (536-37)

And so on

**Spartiate** · 07-20-2005, 14:41

Damn Caesar44...................i really hope you just copied and pasted that.A LOT of typing methinks.

**IliaDN** · 07-20-2005, 15:06

Originally Posted by caesar44

Yes he was . the first "popes" were called Bishops of rome since the first century ce.

St. Peter (32-67)
St. Linus (67-76)
St. Anacletus (Cletus) (76-88)
St. Clement I (88-97)
St. Evaristus (97-105)
St. Alexander I (105-115)
St. Sixtus I (115-125) -- also called Xystus I
St. Telesphorus (125-136)
St. Hyginus (136-140)
St. Pius I (140-155)
St. Anicetus (155-166)
St. Soter (166-175)
St. Eleutherius (175-189)
St. Victor I (189-199)
St. Zephyrinus (199-217)
St. Callistus I (217-22)
St. Urban I (222-30)
St. Pontain (230-35)
St. Anterus (235-36)
St. Fabian (236-50)
St. Cornelius (251-53)
St. Lucius I (253-54)
St. Stephen I (254-257)
St. Sixtus II (257-258)
St. Dionysus (260-268)
St. Felix I (269-274)
St. Eutychian (275-283)
St. Caius (283-296) -- also called Gaius
St. Marcellinus (296-304)
St. Marcellus I (308-309)
St. Eusebius (309 or 310)
St. Miltiades (311-14)
St. Sylvester I (314-35)
St. Marcus (336)
St. Julius I (337-52)
Liberius (352-66)
St. Damasus I (366-83)
St. Siricius (384-99)
St. Anastasius I (399-401)
St. Innocent I (401-17)
St. Zosimus (417-18)
St. Boniface I (418-22)
St. Celestine I (422-32)
St. Sixtus III (432-40)
St. Leo I (the Great) (440-61)
St. Hilarius (461-68)
St. Simplicius (468-83)
St. Felix III (II) (483-92)
St. Gelasius I (492-96)
Anastasius II (496-98)
St. Symmachus (498-514)
St. Hormisdas (514-23)
St. John I (523-26)
St. Felix IV (III) (526-30)
Boniface II (530-32)
John II (533-35)
St. Agapetus I (535-36) -- also called Agapitus I
St. Silverius (536-37)

And so on

But only reforms of Constantine Pope gained some power over western provinces.

**lars573** · 07-20-2005, 15:22

In the early church the first leaders were Bishops. Then arch-bishops, then Patriarchs. The title pope comes from patriarch. There were 5 of them in Rome, Constantinople, Antioch, Jerusalem, and Alexandria. These 5 were the bosses of the christian faith. There were 2 others though 1 in Armenia. And a 7th who was patriarch of the east. Basically the Sassanid empire. His seat was at Ctestiphon.

**Coldfish** · 07-20-2005, 15:32

we missing the idea here guys....my primary desire was that...i wanted to know if in BI....the pope or the bishop ,like u said.....will have any influence in the game ? like in M:TW had. thanks

**IliaDN** · 07-20-2005, 15:40

As I already said Pope gained much more power after Constantine reforms ( in 343 ).

**lars573** · 07-20-2005, 15:58

Originally Posted by Coldfish

we missing the idea here guys....my primary desire was that...i wanted to know if in BI....the pope or the bishop ,like u said.....will have any influence in the game ? like in M:TW had. thanks

He couldn't as at the time that BI takes place (364-476 AD) the "pope" was just a guy in a church in Rome. He doesn't take on his MTW level of power and influence until the donation of Pepin in like 750 AD. This is when the pope becomes temporal ruler of the papal states. Also in BI time frame the pope had 4 eqauls in the other cities I mentioned and they were the servants of the emperor.

**gardibolt** · 07-20-2005, 17:24

Although I suppose if one wanted to rely on the fraudulent Donation of Constantine you could conjure up a world where the Pope is more powerful than he really was. It's not like RTW is strictly historical.