Stalin

[Evil_Maniac From Mars]

Stalin was evil.

My grandpa was telling me about when he was in post war germany.


He saw some russian soldiers he made fun of them or something while walking by. One Russian responded back in perfect english. My grandpa went back and talked to the guy. It turned out the guys family was still in russia and unless he came back and into the military they would be shot. This happened to many people.

You're telling me. All 4 people in my family that died after WW1-shortly after WW2 all died at the hands of Stalin. 2 transported to labour camps (1 was a decorated officer in Stalin's army as well!), 1 shot in battle, and the other shot execution style for being a German in Berlin when the Soviets came through.

[IliaDN]

Thanks bmolsson. I agree with you.

And if I could find the source again, I would give it.

I remember reading that the last of the Romanovs was turning Russia from a joke into a powerhouse. Between 1900 and 1914 Russia had a huge industrial turn-around along with massively increasing literacy. If only I could find the source! Romanov Russia was not a backwoods joke of a country ruled by an inept despot at the start of the 20th century.

But then...the Czar stepped in it. WWI has gutted eastern europe to this day. Civil war and then Communism showed up and gutted the country.

Azi

You are forgetting about shameful war with Japan in 1905.
About factories and industries:
they were good in western part of country, some central parts, but in general they were not ( for such a big empire )
Communications between regions were awful.

[IliaDN]

How was he closer to fascism than communism? He implimented communist principles throughout his rule.

Being a dictator does not make one a fascist.

[Crazed Rabbit]

He achieved the purest communistic principles possible using the only means possible: raw brutality.

Crazed Rabbit

[Papewaio]

Other countries have achieved far greater good for their countries without mass murder. I do not remember Britain wiping out English people to perform reforms, nor the USA wiping out millions of its people to modernise.

I don't remember NZ or Australia modernising through mass murder.

Stalin murdered people to protect himself. Russia could have modernised much faster and better if Stalin after getting to power had made it a democracy instead of a dictatorship.

Washington was given the choice of being King or making a democracy. His legacy was far greater because he choose democracy over personal gain.

[Samurai Waki]

You have to understand the nature of the beast before you can judge him.

Stalin was born into a fierce and angry household, his father beat him and his mother terribly... so bad in fact that one of stalin's arms was shorter than the other and next to useless, the beatings went on and on, and Stalin's father was a blantant alcoholic, one day Stalin had enough of his Dad beating him and his mom, and the only reasonable way to destroy that bond was to destroy his father... he killed him. At this time, Russian Authorities would have done nothing to prevent the ceasless assaults. After his Father's Death his mother sent him an Orthodox School so he could become a priest, he got in with a group of people who were Marxists, when the priests found out, he was locked into the School's basement for days, suffering from Hunger and beatings... instead of doing what the priests desired (I.E. Turn him away from Communism) it fueled his hatred for Religion and he became a full on Communist, and with good reason in my opinion, this is a guy who would not go down without right killing him.
Soon after, he left School, and joined the Bolshevik Party... at this time a band of guys who disliked the Czar because of the misery the Peasant Class went through (Stalin blamed the Czar for his terrible childhood), he became a petty thug and was arrested and sent to Prison several times, escaped Siberia 7 times! and then he finally gave up after the 8th, waiting for the Bolsheviks to take power. During his misadventures with Crime, you can well imagine he gained some pretty rough friends. During the Russian Civil War, Stalin was relieved from Siberia and given a position of power under Lenin (he commanded the Assault on Baku, and actually did relatively well for never having commanded anyone in his life.) After the Bolsheviks took power, Stalin got as close to Lenin as possible, and although Lenin didn't trust him, took him under his wing, as well as Trotsky. Trotsky and Stalin hated each other from the beginning, Stalin was a hard core Communist... coming from a land that historically hated the Czars (Georgia).
After Lenin's death, Stalin quickly took charge during the political vacuum that followed. He had pictures made, making him look as though he was close to Lenin, even though they were all superimposed, the people thought Stalin would be the next Lenin, they thought Trotsky was far to Liberal and Soft on many political issues whereas Stalin, who made himself look like a Leninist, would be firm. After Stalin took power, he deposed of any Political Rivals via the NKVD, many of which were Officers in his army.
His 5 year Plans were made because Stalin was aware that the Czars really cared more about personal wealth, then that of their people, he knew that these people would not willingly abandon their homes and jobs to work in some god aweful land building factories, so he forced them too, and with it got a taste of revenge. He never liked Cossacks who had invaded Georgia... so he deposed of most of them... he never liked Russians who occupied his Homeland, so he deposed of as many of them as possible... he was taught to hate these people as a Child.
Later on, his 5 year plans indeed proved more fruitful than even he expected even with Barbarossa. Had Hitler been kinder to the Russian people, most would've joined him, instead he took a hard line, the Russian People had a choice... Support the German Dictator or Support the Russian One? Obviously they supported the Russian One. Stalin was the first man to rule Russia in a long time to actually stir Russian Pride and Faith in the Soviet Model, even more so than Lenin.
Stalin gained many vices throughout his life, paranoia being the largest of them. Before he died, it was assumed he had writs of execution on 4000 people every day for 3 years, he had fallen into madness in his last years of life, and from years of stress and cigar smoking died in Rightful Agony. During his burial, the Russian people actually encased him in Concrete and dropped him in the ocean, such was their fear of him.

Yes, Stalin was a Diehard Communist in every way, shape, and form... he was a Communist with a taste for vengeance. His life story is very sad... and if you read a more detailed book on him, you'll understand him far more than what I have written.

[edyzmedieval]

Stalin was a mad man....

And he killed 36 million people(officially, unoficially, many more!!)

[Franconicus]

Being a dictator does not make one a fascist.

Right! Being a fascist makes you a dictator.

[IliaDN]

Stalin was a mad man....

And he killed 36 million people(officially, unoficially, many more!!)

Himself?
He did it himself?

[edyzmedieval]

With the help of auxilliary people...

How can you think he, himself, killed 36 million people with his body and it's organs?!

[IliaDN]

Also I don't consider Stalin to be good ( as some of you could thought ), I just defend him now, because many people here accuse not only him, but the regime in whole ( as well as the country ), they say that they heard how it was hard to live in the Stalin's USSR, but they no nothing of it ( most of them at least ), they pretend to saw hundreds of those who disliked the regime, but there were millions who liked it.
Really it was not that bad.
Edit: I fight whole backroom for the person of whom I am not fond of myself.

[Franconicus]

Edit: I fight whole backroom for the person of whom I am not fond of myself.

No you do not! I am glad to have someone here from Russia. We just heard the story from the distance

[Kääpäkorven Konsuli]

About Soviet Union and communism, Soviet Union wasn't a communistic nation. It was socialistic (union of socialistic rebublics or something like that),atleast in Karl Marx's standarsts.

[IliaDN]

About Soviet Union and communism, Soviet Union wasn't a communistic nation. It was socialistic (union of socialistic rebublics or something like that),atleast in Karl Marx's standarsts.

So what?

[Kääpäkorven Konsuli]

So what?

I had to say it to show how intelligent i am.

[IliaDN]

I had to say it to show how intelligent i am.

Than you could also say that socialism is a one of the steps in the ladder to communism ( in the communistic idealogy ).

[Kääpäkorven Konsuli]

Than you could also say that socialism is a one of the steps in the ladder to communism ( in the communistic idealogy ).

Yes yes. Btw has any nation ever reached the last step (Communistic sociality)? Cuba is socialistic, China is somekind of mix and I don't know about North-Korea.

[Franconicus]

Utopia did. Do you know where I can find it?

[Kääpäkorven Konsuli]

Utopia did. Do you know where I can find it?

Err... Utopia? The name sounds bit african. Have you looked from there?

[The Stranger]

stalin was a mix between communist and fascist. he definitly is one of the cruellest men that ever wandered the world