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    Default Peltastai, or Peltastoi?

    I'm trying to mod the names of all the RTW units (well, as many of them as I can) to reflect the actual languages they used, though still not entirely accurate.

    But I need some advice on Greek and barbarian...

    What should I call the swordsmen/chosens? Are there celtic names for them?

    Also, what was the greek word for 1) cavalry, 2) archers, 3) slingers and 4) peltasts? Is the plural -ai or -oi? Because pezhetairoi (the pikemen) and hetairoi (the Companions) are suffixed differently from hoplitai. So I'm confused.

    Also, what did the Romans call their own legionnaires? Right now I have been forced to call them 'Hamata legionnaires' and 'Segmentata legionnaires' according to the armour they wear, but there's got to be something more....ethnic.


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    Default Re: Peltastai, or Peltastoi?

    Classical Greek Cavalry:

    hippeus (pl. hippeis): The most general term in ancient Greek for cavalry (in non-military context refers to riders or even at Athens a census class).

    hippotoxotes (pl. hippotoxotai): horse-archer.

    hipparchos (pl. hipparchoi): Cavalry commander. (or for Sparta hipparmostes -ai).

    prodromoi (pl. prodromos): Cavalry scouts or light cavalry. At Athens at least appear to have replaced hippotoxotes in the 4th Century BC and seem to have been considered superior horsemen.


    Other Classical Greek:

    Archers: toxotes (pl. toxotai).

    Peltast: peltast (pl. peltastes)

    But either of the above could also be called psilos (pl. psiloi).
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    The Latin word for legionary is legionarius, plural legionarii. You might call the early and late legionaries legionarii prisci and legionarii seri, respectively (I'm pretty sure that's right). If you want to keep the cohort terminology, I guess it would be cohors prisca and cohors sera. I think the First Cohort would be cohors prima. I'm not an expert on Latin, but I'm reasonably confident in those names.

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    Default Re: Peltastai, or Peltastoi?

    Never mind!
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    Default Re: Peltastai, or Peltastoi?

    Even we modern greeks we are bit confused how are the appropriate names to write Greek with Latin script.
    Anyway here is a list:
    Peltasts
    Singular -es
    Peltastes
    Plural -ai
    Peltastai
    Same goes Hoplites: Hoplites, Hoplitai. Spartans: Spartiates, Spartiatai .Archer: Toxotes, Toxotai. Phalanx: Phalangites, Phalangitai.
    Cavarly
    Singular -on
    Hippicon, Hippikon
    Note that ancient romans, when they wanted to write a greek word in Latin script with the letter "K", the used "C". Ancient Latin script have not the letter "K", AFAIK. The romans didn't write words like Hippikon in Latin; they used their own words.
    Plural n/a
    Same goes Infantry: Pezicon, Pezikon. Navy: Nauticon, Nautikon
    Companion cavarly
    Singular -os
    Hetairos
    Plural -oi
    Hetairoi
    Same goes Horse: Hippos, Hippoi. General: Strategos, Strategoi. Leader: Archegos, Archegoi, Heir: Diadochos, Diadochoi. Prodromos, Prodromoi.
    King
    Singular -eus
    Ancient greek: Anax. Hellenistic greek: Basileus
    Plural -eis
    Ancient greek: Anaktai. Hellenistic greek: Basileis
    Same goes Horseman, Rider: Hippeus, Hippeis.
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    Didn't someone already do this? I'm sure, check in the dungeon. You may save yourself a lot of work.

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    Default Re: Peltastai, or Peltastoi?

    I have, but I don't want their gameplay, only their names.

    Thanks everyone for the names! I will go home to chew on it while waiting for the EB native names.


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    Default Re: Peltastai, or Peltastoi?

    sphendonetai for slingers
    toxotai for archers
    hippakontistai for jav cav
    peltastai for peltasts
    hippeis for normal cav
    prodromoi for light cav/scouts
    ekdromoi for non phalanx hoplites
    hoplitai for hoplites
    hetairoi for companions
    hypaspistai for hypaspists
    argyraspidai for silver shields
    chalkaspidai for bronze shields
    taxeis hoplitai for levy hoplites
    taxeis phalangtai for levy pikes
    pezhetairoi for phalanx pikemen

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    lakedaimonies for spartans

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    Default Re: Peltastai, or Peltastoi?

    Lakedaemonies for spartans or Spartiates
    and

    Cohors Praetoriae for Praetorian Cohorts
    Cohors Urbanae for Urban Cohorts
    Sagitarii for Roman Archers.
    Funditorii for Roman Slingers

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    Default Re: Peltastai, or Peltastoi?

    Quote Originally Posted by fireblade
    lakedaimonies for spartans
    Singular: Spartiates, Lakedaimon. Plural: Spartiatai, Lakedaimoneis
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    Get the realism mod.
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    Default Re: Peltastai, or Peltastoi?

    Tried once, RTR doesn't work on my comp for some strange reason despite my deleting the map.rwm file as they wanted me to. So I have to work on my own now.

    So what's the Greek syntax for Spartan hoplites, armoured hoplites? Do I say Spartiates Hoplitai, or is it Spartiai hoplitai? Or would Lakedaimones be more accurate.

    And silvershields... They have legionnaires and pikemen, so while pikemen would be something like Argyraspides Phalangitai, what of the Legionnaires? Gee, is there even a Greek word for legionnaire?

    And what is the modifier that implies something is Pontic? I want to rename the pezhetairoi that Pontus has 'Pontic Pikemen' or something to that effect.
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    Default Re: Peltastai, or Peltastoi?

    For Spartan Hoplites, you better use the syntax for singular, Lakedaimon Hoplites and for plural, Lakedaimoneis Hoplitai.
    For armoured it's a bit difficult; AFAIK there is not a greek word for it. You can use the word Thorax witch means breastplate and the adjective is Thorakismenos witch means "armoured" in modern greek, but I'm not sure for ancient. So this syntax goes; singular: Thorakismenos Hoplites, plural: Thorakismenoi Hoplitai. Another possible syntax is to use the word Panoplos witch means "full armoured" in modern at least. So it goes for singular, Panoplos Hoplites and for plural, Panoploi Hoplitai. A third possible syntax is to use the word Kataphraktos witch means "full armoured" in hellenistic and byzantine greek, but AFAIK is applicable only for cavarly. So it goes; singular: Kataphraktos Hoplites, plural: Kataphraktoi Hoplitai.
    For silvershield pikemen it goes; singular: Argyraspis Phalangites, plural: Argyraspides Phalangitai. You got it!
    For Legionnaires the greek word is Legeonarioi, literally from latin. Legeon=Legion. Singular: Legeonarios, plural: Legeonarioi. Though I doubt that the ancient greeks used a latin term, to describe a military unit of their own.
    Quote Originally Posted by pezhetairoi
    And what is the modifier that implies something is Pontic? I want to rename the pezhetairoi that Pontus has 'Pontic Pikemen' or something to that effect.
    Sorry but I don't understand what you mean....
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    Default Re: Peltastai, or Peltastoi?

    i mean, to say that X is Spartan is to say Lakedaimoneis X, so to say Y is Pontic, we say (Pontos?) Y?


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    Default Re: Peltastai, or Peltastoi?

    He means, what's the adjective form of Pontos? The equivalent of English Pontic?

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