Wars where the "wrong side" won

[Steppe Merc]

But was Gaul ever the same, though? Did the Celt's culture continue to florish after being conquered? I honestly don't know, but I thought that it didn't.

[Kagemusha]

What Rome did during Barbarian invasions was that those Nations became affected with Creco-Roman culture.Without Rome while she was on her death bed the steppe people would have flooded over Europe.And bases of our culture would have been destroyed.Maybe Roma wasnt such a tolerant Empire.But they also introduced the legacy of hellenism.To those people who they conguered.There was a reason why historians call the period after end of the Western Roman Empire the Dark Ages.

[Steppe Merc]

Steppe people were hardly mindless, cultureless barbarians. They influenced the Western World's military far more than Rome ever did, and spread the whole idea of Feudalism, really. In many cases, steppe nations were more advanced than their settled rivals.
Oh, and the Dark Ages is a incorrect term. While some places were in a low, the Byzantines and the Muslims, and even many steppe nations were advancing rapidly.

[Kagemusha]

Steppe people were hardly mindless, cultureless barbarians. They influenced the Western World's military far more than Rome ever did, and spread the whole idea of Feudalism, really. In many cases, steppe nations were more advanced than their settled rivals.

Steppe cultures had an military advance.They were superior horsemen and they had the composite bow.But you cant seriosly speak about high culture and Nomadism.They just dont mix.

[Steppe Merc]

Well what is high culture?

[Kagemusha]

Well what is high culture?

Im not going into this trap.you know what high culture is.Romans had all the knovledge that Hellenist scientist had discovered.Most of the Steppe people couldnt read or write.It has been studied that during the Roman Empires reign average citizen was living a better life than in Middle Ages.And about Feodalism,Feodalism was a setback compared to Roman system.

[The Wizard]

Feudalism only became a setback for Europe once weak rulers let it spiral out of control. The Ottomans used exactly the same system that Charlemagne's successors had implemented, and it worked like a charm.

The Dark Ages, much like the term Middle Ages, is a misnomer. Much of our current uses, laws and technology find their foundation in the Middle Ages. You are influenced by an order of history quite outdated nowadays. Not only do you discount Celts and Germanics as "mere barbarians", you also see the medieval period as a most unfortunate intermezzo, a black hole in between the classical age and the modern age. And this is simply not true.

If not for the Germanic invasions, much of our current world would be radically different. I would simply not have it any other way.



~Wiz