Wars where the "wrong side" won

[Kagemusha]

Feudalism only became a setback for Europe once weak rulers let it spiral out of control. The Ottomans used exactly the same system that Charlemagne's successors had implemented, and it worked like a charm.

The Dark Ages, much like the term Middle Ages, is a misnomer. Much of our current uses, laws and technology find their foundation in the Middle Ages. You are influenced by an order of history quite outdated nowadays. Not only do you discount Celts and Germanics as "mere barbarians", you also see the medieval period as a most unfortunate intermezzo, a black hole in between the classical age and the modern age. And this is simply not true.

If not for the Germanic invasions, much of our current world would be radically different. I would simply not have it any other way.



~Wiz

Sorry Wiz but where did i say that Celts and Germans were mere barbarians.I was talking about Steppe Nomads.And yes i was talking about Europe.About Ottoman Empire,there was very strong central government also.Not like in medieval Europe where Kings usually had one or more vassals stronger themselves.About Dark Ages never happened,yes there are group of Scientist that try to deny that.But the fact is that After the crumble of West Roman Empire ,the center of progression as we see it in world History left Europe and returned only again with Reneissance.

[Steppe Merc]

I disagree. It may have slowed in Europe, but certaintly not in Byzantium and the Middle East.

[caesar44]

It is very nice to see how people can find logic in Hitler .
He did this , he did that , he may have done this , ha may have done that...
In 100 years from now , we (our grandchildrens) are going to see status of him and people will say "He gave our people hope , ha gave our people jobs , he only wanted us to be better , he only wanted the Jews to go to Palestine , he was attacked by the West , he wanted to save the world from Communism , he ..." 100 years , no , we are hearing it now !!!!!!!!!

Please , people , stop trying to understand evil . evil its evil its evil . there is no excuse in the universe for killing even one baby . they killed millions and you are talking about fighting Communism...well your president , Johnson , was fighting Communism , you can tell that to 58,000 young Americans .