Strong Military

[scooter_the_shooter]

Oh yes thats why we need therapist for the insurgents


It wont be the weapons that win the war it will be the brave soldiers who use them. and they need the best things possible, planes and nukes included(hopefully not nukes but it may come to that)

[Steppe Merc]

Nukes have no real military purpose, especially in a war against terrorists. How can planes help, other than for survalience?
Making our military stronger can't win the war faster. It might if we were fighting a conventinal enemy, but we would just end up spending more money on things that will never get used.

[scooter_the_shooter]

we need every weapon avaible. steppe for 3 generations members of my family have been in the military they all agree we need every weapon possible. One even wanted to nuke afghanistan then carpet bomb the whole country

Its not our lives that depend on that equipment we should have NO say on taking that away from our soldiers.

[Steppe Merc]

Oh, so the politicians should? Or rather, the buisnesses that make the bombs and explosives that line the politicians pockets? You want guns and body armor for the infantry, that's fine. But most of the stuff that they spend it on isn't for the infantry soldier. How much does it cost to make a khevlar body suit and a rifle? We don't need all the money that we spend on the military, since most of it will never be used. We have countless of money guzzling nukes in the US, we certaintly don't need more.
How can a nuke or even a missile help fight against terrorists? Unless you are willing to slaughter countless of innocents, it can't. Oh wait, I forgot, innocents are supposed to die, so it doesn't matter, does it?

[scooter_the_shooter]

i dont want any innocents dead but rather theirs then ours

[Franconicus]

ceasar, do you think there would be more losses in Iraq if you had less nukes, carriers or stealth. Of course the US soldiers need good weapons, excellent protection and training. Do doubt about that. But why does the US military needs to spend more money than the rest of the world?

And concerning the war against terror, you cannot fight Bin Ladn with nukes. I even doubt that military will lead in this war. I guess its more intelligence and diplomacy.

The US is proud to have a strong military (and man they have). But they rely too much on their army. There are some problems you cannot solve with an amry. And sometimes it is even in your way.

[bmolsson]

we need every weapon avaible. steppe for 3 generations members of my family have been in the military they all agree we need every weapon possible. One even wanted to nuke afghanistan then carpet bomb the whole country

Now I understand your... Eh... Violent views....

[Moros]

more nukes more bullying more terrorists...
and nukes, nukes? ik you'd ever attack someone with nukes damn that'll raise america's image. don't forget a lot off americans nukes aren't even in america and there are about 6 other nations with nukes. Damn if America would use nukes without really need to I'd wouldn't mind the people who were responsible (not the civilians or the ones who only had to follow the orders) be killed by terrorists.
you can arm you soldiers as good as it gets it doesn't really help if you aren't in war. you can't protect yourself from terrorists with arms! no just like steppe said
you can only protect yourself with a good diplomacy and intellegence.
they just have to take away the cause something arms really can't.

soory for bad english but I'd just had to respond to this.

[Catiline]

The argument for needing better equipment is not really going to stand up. The US is already significantly more advanced than the rest of the world, including the UK, to the extent that in osme cases that level of technological difference is a problem.

Through out history it's been demonstrated that equipment actualy makes little differnce. well motivated, high morale troops consistently out perform those dressed up in shiny new gear. A strong military does not rely on technology, it relies on morale, suupply and command. Two of these are inculcated by education and you'll get an infinitely better quality of soldier if he is educated, and understands what he is fighting for. By understand i mean can reason through the motivation, not blindly follow a flag, THat flags important, but the best troops will understand why they're following it.

If the US wants a strong military that's their choice. If that strength is used poorly it will eventually come back to haunt the US in time. Approach is everything.

Investment in nukes, Mig fighting super jets and aircraft carriers is useless in the type of war America is noqw fighting, unless of course you happen to hold shares in Boeing

[Ser Clegane]

Is that a slander against people in the US Military?

I think bmolsson's remark was more directed at the specific statements ceasar010 quoted and not at the US Military in general.

[Crusader4thepeople]

The argument for needing better equipment is not really going to stand up. The US is already significantly more advanced than the rest of the world, including the UK, to the extent that in osme cases that level of technological difference is a problem.

Through out history it's been demonstrated that equipment actualy makes little differnce. well motivated, high morale troops consistently out perform those dressed up in shiny new gear.

I agree. Ever heard of the Swiss in the middle ages, a small swiss army with next to no armour and some cruddy pikes thrashed knights in expensive full plate armour, and that was because the swiss used better tactics and were betetr motivated.

Now look at terrorists, there is no such thing as a terrorist army, 10 terrorists can kill thousands of troops. They might have no jets or nukes but they are willing to die for their cause. They have no scruples, soldier or civilian is the same to them, they can achive their goals by killing anyone. Nuking them or bombing them wont work, they dont have a fixed base, most members of radical groups look like civilians or live abroad, carpet Bombing or nuking cant get them. And i can bet loads of terrorists will be living in the U.S. Will you carpet bomb the US to kill them? You need to use diplomacy to eliminate the causes of terrorism, look at the UK and Ireland trying to disband the IRA, they know they cant kill them without making more attacks happen, and instead they are trying to prevent the terrorsism. That what you need counter terrorism not a war on terrorism