dues Ret: thatss weird indeed. i had 3 normally poor countries as protectorate but they did came up with 100 million a year (50 a turn). i checked it and read it over and over, i really thought i misread it. i think they have a senate like income.

Kourutsu: thats wrong, their provinces counts as conquered. if you have 40 provinces and you have 10, your provinces count says 50 and with rome, you've won the game.