Civil War And How to Prevent It

**Babij** · 07-23-2005, 14:28

@EatYerGreens
That general loyalty thing was very interesting. Now I can almost sympathise with them when they want to start a rebellion.

I've never had CW before. How often does it happen? I've only played a 33% game as the English, and I'm at about 30% with the Byzantines right now, and I'll probably go for full conquest. I've only got princes under command of armies at the moment... I assume that they have less chance of starting a rebellion.

**Ironside** · 07-23-2005, 19:13

Originally Posted by Babij

@EatYerGreens
That general loyalty thing was very interesting. Now I can almost sympathise with them when they want to start a rebellion.

I've never had CW before. How often does it happen? I've only played a 33% game as the English, and I'm at about 30% with the Byzantines right now, and I'll probably go for full conquest. I've only got princes under command of armies at the moment... I assume that they have less chance of starting a rebellion.

Depending on how good you play, from often to almost never.

To get a civil war you'll need poor kings (low influence at ancension), loose a few battles/provinces, no loyalty boosting v&v, failed crusades/jihads (most effective way, the marker is enough and it gets destroyed if you tear the chapter house/ribat down), failed traitor trials (also one you do willingly most of the time).

Princes are very dangerous if they got low loyalty, AFAIK only princes or generals with royal blood (by marriage) can lead a civil war (this was the intension from CA atleast). Dead prince's units count as generals with royal blood, even in VI.

**edyzmedieval** · 07-23-2005, 20:35

My simple guide:

1. Make your emperor with Magnificent Builder
2. Low taxes

**Ciaran** · 07-24-2005, 00:51

Talking about princes, can they be made governors of regions? I don´t seem to be able to do so, but then, that might be me. Giving them some ruling experience on a smaller scale certainly wouldn´t hurt, or would it?

**Babij** · 07-24-2005, 04:35

Originally Posted by Ciaran

Talking about princes, can they be made governors of regions? I don´t seem to be able to do so, but then, that might be me. Giving them some ruling experience on a smaller scale certainly wouldn´t hurt, or would it?

I think when you are the heir to an empire, you already kind of are the governor of every province. Although I do kind of see where you're coming from, giving princes certain responsibilities at an early age. But I'm sure they do all that kind of stuff in their palace...

**Patron** · 07-24-2005, 08:02

I never have civil wars. I see enemies have them though.

**King of Atlantis** · 07-24-2005, 08:14

GOOD CIVIL WARS-

I have actually found that sometimes civil war helpes me. With a low trait King in the early game on hard/expert, provinces can be rebelious. The best way to fix it is to try to make civil war and get a new strong leader in charge. This saved a Sicilian campaign of mine.

**Advo-san** · 07-25-2005, 13:45

Originally Posted by Ciaran

Talking about princes, can they be made governors of regions? I don´t seem to be able to do so, but then, that might be me. Giving them some ruling experience on a smaller scale certainly wouldn´t hurt, or would it?

Wait till the king is dead. The first-born prince will become king and the other princes will become royal knights, allowing you to use them as governors...

**Satyr** · 07-25-2005, 18:21

Originally Posted by edyzmedieval

My simple guide:

1. Make your emperor with Magnificent Builder
2. Low taxes

My guide:

1. Rule the seas - so you never lose control and make massive revenue
2. Autotax - aim for Highest taxes in all provinces

**kiwitt** · 07-26-2005, 04:00

I also make all my Governors, either ex-princes, after a new king is crowned or assign to new "Royal Knights". These units have the highest loyalty. If one does have lower loyalty I then have one of daughters marry him.

**Maeda Toshiie** · 07-28-2005, 16:03

I have inflicted civil war on the Byzantines (Early) before. It required me to take massive amounts of their territory in a short time to reduce the Emperor's influence enough to trigger it (often via massive naval invasions). However, by the time civil war erupts, they were too weak to pose any threat to me.

The Byzantine has a higher than normal starting factor for their influence. Add in ingame events that add to their influence and you get monster Emperors and princes.

**Advo-san** · 07-25-2005, 13:38

Originally Posted by Babij

@EatYerGreens
That general loyalty thing was very interesting. Now I can almost sympathise with them when they want to start a rebellion.

I've never had CW before. How often does it happen? I've only played a 33% game as the English, and I'm at about 30% with the Byzantines right now, and I'll probably go for full conquest. I've only got princes under command of armies at the moment... I assume that they have less chance of starting a rebellion.

I have noticed every byz emperor has an extreme resilience to influence loss, more than any other monarch of the game. I wonder if it is a "bug" or just happened by luck in my campaigns..