Even more trouble in London

[thrashaholic]

The statement is subversively confrontational. The man shot isn't even known to be muslim, only asian, and they keep on stating that the terrorists aren't muslims anyway, so why do they feel it necessary to make a statement about the incident if not to 'have a pop' at the police?

[Ser Clegane]

The statement is subversively confrontational. The man shot isn't even known to be muslim, only asian, and they keep on stating that the terrorists aren't muslims anyway, so why do they feel it necessary to make a statement about the incident if not to 'have a pop' at the police?

For all we know the BBC might have asked for a statement about the incident.
What would you expect them to say?

[thrashaholic]

For all we know the BBC might have asked for a statement about the incident.
What would you expect them to say?

There is that I suppose, but if the BBC had asked them to issue a statement then there would be no need for it to include this section:

"...to unload five shots into the man and shoot him dead..."

since it would be just be reiterrating the information in the report. They could've just as easily said:

"There may well be reasons why the police felt it necessary to shoot the and they should make those reasons clear."

as opposed to:

"There may well be reasons why the police felt it necessary to unload five shots into the man and shoot him dead, but they need to make those reasons clear."

The section: "...to unload five shots into the man and shoot him dead..." is extrememly emotive, conjuring images that the police unecessarily shot the man in cold blood; the use of 'but' instead of 'and' makes it seem as if the reasons are not imediately apparent, which, of course, they are; and "need to" is rather more confrontational than "should".

Also, no where do they seemingly acknowledge that this man was an obvious threat and that the consequences had the police not killed him could've been far more catastrophic.

[Marcellus]

The section: "...to unload five shots into the man and shoot him dead..." is extrememly emotive, conjuring images that the police unecessarily shot the man in cold blood; the use of 'but' instead of 'and' makes it seem as if the reasons are not imediately apparent, which, of course, they are; and "need to" is rather more confrontational than "should".

A man just got shot in front of dozens of people by the police. It's quite an emotive topic, hence the emotive language.

Also, no where do they seemingly acknowledge that this man was an obvious threat and that the consequences had the police not killed him could've been far more catastrophic.

The MCB are just asking for the police's reason for killing the person. If the man was 'an obvious threat' then that is a reason.

[thrashaholic]

A man just got shot in front of dozens of people by the police. It's quite an emotive topic, hence the emotive language.

True, but the implications of their emotive language are that the police did it in cold blood. Surely as a powerful political entity the muslim council should act as a beacon of calm and not start inflaming the subject by bandying about veiled threats at officers who were doing their job to protect the public.

The MCB are just asking for the police's reason for killing the person. If the man was 'an obvious threat' then that is a reason.

Then why, as I've stated earlier, do they need to ask? If the muslim council and muslim comunity at large wish to distance themselves from terrorists then confronting the police when they shoot one in order to protect the public isn't the way to do it.

[Fragony]

True, but the implications of their emotive language are that the police did it in cold blood. Surely as a powerful political entity the muslim council should act as a beacon of calm and not start inflaming the subject by bandying about veiled threats at officers who were doing their job to protect the public.


They sure made it sound like it was the worse atrocity.

[lancelot]

Do police hold people down and then shoot them?? That doesnt seem like standard practice to me? Correct me if Im wrong.. That sounds more like an execution to me...

'If' they did, I hope they have a damn good explanation...

[Marcellus]

True, but the implications of their emotive language are that the police did it in cold blood. Surely as a powerful political entity the muslim council should act as a beacon of calm and not start inflaming the subject by bandying about veiled threats at officers who were doing their job to protect the public. Then why, as I've stated earlier, do they need to ask? If the muslim council and muslim comunity at large wish to distance themselves from terrorists then confronting the police when they shoot one in order to protect the public isn't the way to do it.

The implication of their emotive language is that an emotive event has occured. The MCB wants an explanation to the event, which is fair enough. As I said before, this explanation could be that the man was a terrorist, an explanation the MCB would accept. However the police aren't really saying much at the moment.

[JAG]

I have to say when I first heard one of the eyewitness' describe what he saw on the BBC, I was more than a bit taken aback by how cold blooded the shooting by the police seemed. He stated that the guy was on the floor - tripped or pushed by the police, maybe a combination of both - and that they pounced on him and shot him at extreme close range five times.. Just like that. Blimey. If I was a muslim I would be feeling very nervous if I was wearing a backpack on the underground right now, if we suddenly have a shoot to kill policy by the police and one they are using in such lethally quick ways. The MCB is definitely correct in asking for reasoning by the police.

However, the police have seemingly tracked down a terrorist and even if he has been killed, it is clearly a good thing that someone who would be willing to kill innocent people on a train / bus, is no more.

By the way, to all those gun freaks on the forum, this just shows why you don't need to have guns legalised and a system as we have over here works perfectly. But I don't wanna turn this into a gun thread, they do get quite stale.